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  • Race Report for Friday, May 3, 2019

    I am writing this report after watching the WEC Spa Hours race which started after an evening in which there was measurable snow on the ground. The race started dry with the sun out, but then it started to snow so hard that there was a safety car because of visibility, then soon to hard rain, then it cleared and the sun shown. Following that it later sleeted, freezing rain, hailed, snows some more and even more sun shine and eventually ended with more safety vehicles, and red flagged 11 minutes early. The announcers said they had every weather condition there except for a plague of frogs. They also said that you waited 20 minutes the weather did change.

    Night started with an overflow of racers, and with Pizza & wings ordered, off to a late start.

    Trans-Am Race
    was Joe with 74.95 laps
    was AL with 74.90 laps
    was Kevin with 74.10 laps
    4th was Alex with 73.65 laps
    5th was Gill with 71.75 3/4 laps
    6th was Steve N with 71.75 1/2 laps (Better Lap time average than 7th)
    7th was Marsh with 71.75 1/2 laps
    8th was F-Ron with 71.70 laps
    9th was Pete with 71.35 laps
    10th was Russ with 71.10 laps
    11th was Steve with 68.95 99/100 laps (Stopped on dead strip just short of finish line)
    12th was Bvacc with 68.40 laps
    13th was Art with 68.30 laps
    14th was Tvacc with 68.05 laps
    15th was Tony with 55.70 laps (Welcome to Ace "No-Mag" racing)

    Fastest laps were all by Joe:
    Yellow - 9.234 seconds
    White - 9.292 seconds
    Blue - 9.374 seconds
    Red - 9.481 seconds

    Team Group-C Race
    was Team of Alex & AL with 78.10 laps
    was Team of F-Ron & Russ with 77.10 laps
    was Team of Pete & Kevin with 75.80 laps
    4th was Team of Steve N & Bvacc with 75.55 laps
    5th was Team of Gill & Marsh with 73.05 laps
    6th was Team Tvacc & John with 71.75 laps
    7th was Team of Steve & Art with 69.95 laps
    8th was Team of Joe & Tony with 67.30 laps

    Fastest Laps were:
    Yellow - 8.870 seconds by Alex & AL
    White - 9.121 seconds by Alex & AL
    Blue - 9.089 seconds by Steve N & Bvacc
    Red - 9.172 seconds by Pete & Kevin

    GT Race
    was Russ with 80.20 laps
    was AL with 78.70 laps
    was F-Ron with 78.40 laps
    4th was Kevin with 77.90 laps
    5th was Alex with 77.70 laps
    6th was Steve with 76.35 laps
    7th was Tvacc with 76.10 laps
    8th was Pete with 73.90 laps
    9th was Art with 72.40 laps
    10th was Gill 71.70 laps
    11th was Roger with 62.10 laps (Welcome to the R-Rated mad world of Ace Hobbies Racing)
    12th was Bvacc with 76.55 laps (Fun Run)

    Fastest laps were all by Russ:
    Yellow - 8.356 seconds
    White - 8.591 seconds
    Blue - 8.523 seconds
    Red - 8.737 seconds

    Steve "SABarnes"

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    • Ace Hobby's Monday Night No-Mag 5/6/2019
      A light turn out of 6 racers, but a good time nonetheless.

      F-1in which Al goes from last ("I hate this class") to nearly first tonight ("OK, but I'm not building another one")!
      Hats off to Al! After suffering severe damage to his reputation in the last (several) F1 races, Al took advice. Sporting a new motor, some working tires, and a complete rework of his Lotus, he was able to take a strong and entertaining 3rd place. Here’s hoping Al can take another step forward (and a fast lap maybe) in the near future.
      1. Chris, 74.05, 9.336/y
      2. F. Ron, 73.95, 9.464/y
      3. Al, 73.65, 9.381/y
      4. Pete, 73.10, 9.440/w
      5. Steve N, 70.65, 9.762/w
      6. Steve, 69.70, 9.842/y
      Fast Laps
      Y: 9.336, Chris
      W: 9.440, Pete
      B: 9.374, Chris
      R: 9.473, Chris

      Can-Am (including one hybrid) in which there were many close duels featuring many collisions.
      1. Al, 77.70, 8.796/y
      2. F. Ron, 75.80, 9.113/y
      3. Chris (hybrid), 75.75, 9.320/y
      4. Steve, 73.85, 9.428/y
      5. Steve N, 72.60, 9.309/y
      6. Pete, 71.80, 9.230/y
      Fast Laps / Fast Laps (Hybrid)
      Y: 8.796, Al / Y: 9.320, Chris
      W: 9.010, Al / W: 9.395, Chris
      B: 8.840, Al / B: 9.344, Chris
      R: 9.035, Al / R: 9.409, Chris

      Group C2 in which there were many unforced errors
      1. Pete, 73.90, 9.120/y
      2. Al, 73.40, 9.179/y
      3. F. Ron, 73.20, 9.248/y
      4. Steve N, 71.90, 9.378/b
      5. Steve, 70.80, 9.332/y
      6. Chris, 48.90 DNF (hand cramp), 9.122/r
      Fast Laps
      Y: 9.120, Pete
      W: 9.256, Al
      B: 9.163, Chris
      R: 9.122, Chris

      LMP - in which there was close racing among only four cars as Ron's was declared sub-optimal and Chris was declared "physically unable to perform."
      1. Al, 77.90, 8.907/b
      2. Pete, 76.40, 8.867/y
      3. Steve, 75.60, 9.163/y
      4. Steve N, 74.70, 9.198/b
      Fast Laps
      Y: 8.867, Pete
      W: 8.928, Al
      B: 8.907, Al
      R: 9.124, Al

      The usual heartfelt appreciation and thanks to our mostly gracious host, F. Ron Proprietor, for the track and the time.
      And thanks to Tom for Race Directing stuff , to good ol' Gill for button work , and to Steve for teching and computering.
      Last edited by MacMoose; 05-07-2019, 12:41 PM.

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      • Congratulations to Russ for his new record single lap in Friday night GT: 8.356 seconds.

        Congratulations to Al for his new single lap record in Monday Night CanAm: 8.796 seconds
        Last edited by MacMoose; 05-06-2019, 11:32 PM.

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        • New NSR Shark 21,900 rpm motor will now be allowed in Monday night Can Am racing.

          After discussion with the Monday night drivers, the new NSR 21,900 rpm (balanced), 164 g-cm torque, EVO motor will now be allowed in Monday night Can Am racing.
          It joins several other similar motors approved for use in the Can Am Class..

          The rules at the beginning of this thread will be updated in the next couple of days.

          Tom

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          • Still having trouble editing my own posts.

            I am (again / still) having trouble editing my own posts on this site. Cannot get into the "Rules", on the first two pages of this thread, to edit, and add the new NSR 21,900 rpm EVO
            motor to those allowed for: Monday night Can Am; and Friday night Trans Am classes.

            Tom

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            • Originally posted by T man View Post
              Still having trouble editing my own posts.
              Cannot get into the "Rules", on the first two pages of this thread, to edit, and add the new NSR 21,900 rpm EVO
              motor to those allowed for: Monday night Can Am; and Friday night Trans Am classes.
              Tom,
              I'm sure we all appreciate your efforts to keep everything up to date. Perhaps you should do a quick edit and a "cut & paste" job to a new post?
              Pete

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              • So… I went to the Slot Car News motor list to see how often and when it might have been updated. It was published in 2007 and updated a few times until 2010. As it happens, lot of motors have come and gone since 2010 and a lot more have the same names but different specs. The wattage figures (added after the initial publication) ended up in the Friday GT1 and LMP (which is also Monday) rules limiting motors to 18.3 Watts.

                The Slot Car News’ formula for W (Watts) is:

                W = [ (RPMmax / 2) x (TORQUEmax / 2) ] / 100,000

                EXAMPLE: Slot.it rates their Boxer 2 at 21,500rpm & 340 g/cm torque.

                21,500/2 = 10,750 and 340/2 = 170

                10,750 x 170 = 1,827,500

                1,827,500 / 100.000 = 18.275W

                Using that formula I determined the following:
                MFR MOTOR RPM TORQUE WATTS
                Scaleauto Sprinter Jr 2 22500 430 24.19
                Scaleauto Tech 2 25000 360 22.50
                NSR King 21 evo 3 21400 350 18.73
                Racer Raptor 21400 350 18.73
                Slot.it Boxer 2 21500 340 18.28
                Scaleauto Endurance 22 22000 318 17.49
                NSR Shark 32 evo 32000 210 16.80
                Scaleauto S-Can Tech 3 30000 216 16.20
                Scaleauto Sprinter 2 21500 300 16.13
                NSR Shark 30 30000 210 15.75
                Slot.it Flat 6 RS 25000 240 15.00
                Scaleauto Tech 1 20000 285 14.25
                NSR Shark 28 evo 28000 200 14.00
                Scaleauto Sprinter 1 18000 310 13.95
                Scaleauto Sprinter Jr 18000 310 13.95
                NSR King 19 19500 271 13.21
                NSR Spanish King evo 19500 270 13.16
                Slot.it Flat 6 S 22500 230 12.94
                Scaleauto Zero Mag 23000 216 12.42
                Slot.it Flat 6 R 22000 220 12.10
                NSR Spanish King 19000 250 11.88
                Slot.it V12/4 29k 29000 160 11.60
                Piranha 25 Ball Bearing 25000 185 11.56
                NSR Shark 25 evo 25000 180 11.25
                NSR Shark 25 25000 176 11.00
                Scaleauto S-Can Tech 1 20000 210 10.50
                NSR Baby King 17000 245 10.41
                Racer Baby Raptor 17000 245 10.41
                Slot.it Flat 6 20500 200 10.25
                Slot.it V12/4 23k 23000 170 9.78
                NSR Shark 22 22400 168 9.41
                Thunderslot Mach 21 21500 175 9.41
                NSR Shark 21.5 evo 21900 164 8.98
                Piranha 21.5 21500 165 8.87
                NSR Shark 20 20000 164 8.20
                Slot.it V12/4 21k 21000 150 7.88
                In favor of this method is the fact that it rates all motors on an equal scale.
                Opposed is the fact that mfr ratings may or may not be accurate.
                Last edited by MacMoose; 05-07-2019, 08:06 PM.

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                • Several of the Monday night racers have been talking about adding the Slot it Audi R8C, Toyota GT1 and the Mosler to the GTA and GT2 classes. For a few months now I have be running these three cars in those classes and have shown that there was no reason to ban the cars from those classes as they are no faster than what we are running now. So I would like to take a vote on letting these 3 cars into those classes. ONLY the following Monday night racers are allowed to vote. Me, Pete, Ron, Steve, Joe, Alex and Troy and Al. Let me know what your vote.

                  Thanks Chris

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                  • Originally posted by JBriggsK9 View Post
                    Several of the Monday night racers have been talking about adding the Slot it Audi R8C, Toyota GT1 and the Mosler to the GTA and GT2 classes. For a few months now I have be running these three cars in those classes and have shown that there was no reason to ban the cars from those classes as they are no faster than what we are running now. So I would like to take a vote on letting these 3 cars into those classes.
                    If I'm reading it right, if it ran as a GT car anywhere in the world from 1990 to the present day, then it should legal in any GT class. Mosler? Yes, from 2001. Toyota GT-One? Yes, in 1998, but got moved to GTP (which stands for GT Prototype) in 1999. Audi R8C? Not so much, as it ran in GTP (which still stands for GT Prototype) only twice in 1999 before Audi gave up on it. Unfortunately for us, Slot.it made a very nice replica. Anyway... I see no rhyme or reason in where these cars ended up in our class system.

                    So I'm personally voting that a GT is a GT and the only difference from one class to the next should be the motor (full stop).

                    Regards,
                    Pete

                    PS: I have what I think is a neat solution to the whole thing... if anyone's interested.

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                    • On allowing the Toyota GT1, Audi R8C, and the Mosler to compete in GTA and GT2 races. I feel that I should remind people on the original reasons why these cars were not originally allowed to compete in those classes. In the late 90's, the FIA ruled that for the World Endurance Championship that there was a special provision that it would allow "Enclosed" Prototypes to compete as GT class cars as long as the had a separate compartment for "Luggage" Toyota ended up modifying their Toyota One design to become their Toyota GT1. Audi modified their open cockpit Audi R8B cars to become their new closed cockpit Audi R8C's. The LeMans organizer's (ACO) had also adapted this rule provided that they first compete in one of the first 1000 KM races in the schedule. It soon became apparent that these new cars would dominate the GT races within the WEC schedule. Therefore both the FIA & ACO quickly annouced that the cars were really
                      GTP cars, (what they called the prototype cars then, as opposed to what we now know as LMP's (LeMans Prototypes).

                      The Mosler was not allowed originally allowed to compete in GTA's when we formed the GTA class because they were all ready dominate in the Open GT races on Friday Nights and we didn't want them to dominate GTA's on Monday Nights. That and Audi R8C's and Toyota GT1's ruled at that time would be allowed to compete as Prototypes seemed to be enough. However with the lack of general interest by a lot of racers not wanting to race Prototypes now because it is the fourth race on any night that they do race and most of the racers don't want to stay through the fourth race because it is too late for them. Since we now do not regularly race Prototypes, I say that we might as well allow them to race as GTA's or GT2's, or we might as well combine the GTA's and GT2's into one class and call it GT2A's or possibly GTD's after what IMSA does with the GTLM's cars that are over 1 year old.

                      Steve "SABarnes"
                      Last edited by SABarnes; 05-11-2019, 05:36 AM.

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                      • Several of the Monday night racers have been talking about adding the Slot it Audi R8C, Toyota GT1 and the Mosler to the GTA and GT2 classes. For a few months now I have be running these three cars in those classes and have shown that there was no reason to ban the cars from those classes as they are no faster than what we are running now. So I would like to take a vote on letting these 3 cars into those classes.



                        i vote yes!!
                        let them in

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                        • Friday, May 10, 2019 Race Results

                          Night started with 14 racers, Because of the high number of racers, Group-C's was turned into "Team" Race to quicken the night.
                          Trans-Am
                          was Joe with 75.90 laps (Tied for 3rd Friday Trans-Am lap record)
                          was Alex with 75.05 laps
                          was AL with 74.45 laps
                          4th was F-Ron with 73.65 laps
                          5th was Steve N with 72.70 laps
                          6th was Kevin with 72.00 laps
                          7th was Bvacc with 71.10 laps
                          8th was Marsh with 71.00 laps
                          9th was Russ with 70.90 laps
                          10th was Tvacc with 69.40 laps (by lap times over 11th)
                          11th place Steve with 69.40 laps
                          12th was Max with 64.85 laps
                          13th was Art with 66.80 laps

                          Fastest laps were:
                          Yellow - 9.247 seconds by AL
                          White - 9.319 seconds by Alex
                          Blue - 9.321 seconds by AL
                          Red - 9.517 seconds by AL

                          Team Group C (Teams drawn at Random, Driver picked first of two picked for each team was listed on computer for scoring purposes)
                          was team of F-Ron & Kevin with 78.15 laps
                          was team of Joe & Russ with 77.10 laps
                          was Team of Bvacc & Tvacc with 75.10 laps
                          4th was team of Gill & Alex with 74.90 laps
                          5th was team of John & AL with 74.70 laps
                          6th was team of Max & Steve N with 72.40 laps
                          7th was team of Steve & Art with 69.75 laps

                          Fastest laps were:
                          Yellow - 8.870 seconds by Team of F-Ron & Kevin
                          White - 9.049 seconds by Team of Joe & Russ
                          Blue - 9.058 seconds by Team of Joe & Russ
                          Red - 9.088 seconds by Team of F-Ron & Kevin

                          GT's
                          was Russ with 79.35 laps
                          was AL with 78.70 laps
                          was Tvacc with 77.55 laps
                          4th was Steve with 76.76.55 laps
                          5th was Gill with 74.35 laps
                          6th was Steve N with 74.30 laps
                          7th was John with 71.80 laps
                          8th was Max with 70.85 laps
                          9th was Art with 70.70 laps
                          10th was F-Ron with 53- laps (DNF)
                          11th was Bvacc with 74.10 laps (Fun Run)

                          Because of a couple riders across the lap counters, I am not entirely sure if the lap totals are right or not.
                          Fastest laps were all by Russ:
                          Yellow - 8.470 seconds
                          White - 8.647 seconds
                          Blue - 8.489 seconds
                          Red - 8.707 seconds

                          Steve "SABarnes"

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                          • OK... Here are my proposed Monday night GT rules

                            The Monday GTA class would be merged into GT2 with options in drive configurations. GT1 would continue with very minor alterations. GT would still be open to any car raced as a GT anywhere at any time from 1990 forward or in FIA Group 5 from 1976-82. Any such car would be legal for either class.

                            GT1
                            S cans manufacturer-rated at 30,000 rpm or less.
                            Boxer or Flat-6 (long cans) manufacturer-rated at 22,000 rpm or less.
                            (or we can use XX.X Watts or less)

                            GT2Slot.it 21.5 & 23k, NSR 20k, 21.9k, & 22.4k, Pirhana 21.5k, and Thunderslot 21.5k S-cans.
                            Slot.it Flat 6 (long can) 20.5k.
                            (or we can use 10.25 Watts or less)

                            GT1 & 2
                            1. Motors must remain stock. Any signs of tampering will result in disqualification. Can tabs may not be hidden and the race director may inspect any motor at any time.
                            2. Chassis tuning by the addition of weight is allowed. No weight may be attached to the bottom of the car or to the outside of the body.
                            3. Gear ratio is open.
                            4. The edges of chassis, body, interior, and pod may be sanded to allow body and pod movement. No more than .020” of material may be removed.
                            5. Chassis and pods by different manufacturers may be combined so long as no modifications are made to either. Anglewinder, sidewinder, or inline drive is allowed in any car, and any motor may be used with any pod into which it may be fitted without modification. Adapters designed for this purpose are allowed as is the use of a 3D printed chassis intended/designed for the car.
                            6. With all four wheels resting on the tech block, clearance of .032" or more must exist between the tech block and all parts of the chassis plate, motor, pod, and fasteners. The axle gear must clear by .015”. If any of these components drag on the track during the race the car will be black flagged and repairs made before the car may return to the race.
                            7. Motors may be secured with screws (if screw holes were manufacturer-provided) or glue. Pinions may be soldered, glued, or pressed on. The shaft may be shortened and stoppers or spacers used to locate the axle, gear, and wheels.
                            8. The stock or stock appearing interior must be in the proper location. It may be modified if necessary due to a change in drive (such as SW to IL), or the use of a 3D printed chassis. A vacuum-formed interior may be fitted only if the stock interior can’t be used. In all cases, multicolored (3 or more) detailing must be present.
                            9. The body must be painted, display 3 racing numbers (minimum ¼”) in reasonable locations, contain all original glass, and have the original rear wing (or a reasonable facsimile) in place at the start. “Tear-proof” parts are allowed.
                            10. Wheel well flaring or enlarging is not allowed.
                            11. Elastic, magnetic, or spring suspensions, independently rotating front wheels, and Lexan windows are not allowed unless the car was so equipped by the manufacturer.
                            12. The body mounting posts may be reinforced and spacers may be added to raise the body.
                            13. Any axle bushing sold by Ace may be used and glued in place. Ball or roller bearings are not allowed.
                            14. Screws or collars may be used to retain guides. Spacers are allowed. Brass plate or plastic may be used to repair or resize (not relocate) the guide holder. There are no restrictions on braid or lead wires.
                            15. Wheels and/or tires may not extend beyond the body (at the widest point of the wheel well) when viewed from above.
                            16. “F1” wheels and tires are not allowed. Any other rear wheels and Super Tires sold by Ace may be used.
                            17. Any front wheels and tires sold by Ace are allowed. Nothing may be applied to the front tires to reduce traction.
                            18. Tires may be glued to the wheels and/or trued.
                            19. All four wheels must be scale-appearing via inserts or detailing (e.g., spoked or drilled).
                            ... and that's it.

                            Pete
                            Last edited by MacMoose; 05-11-2019, 09:50 AM.

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                            • Interesting GT proposal, Pete.

                              What about the Scale Auto sidewinder GT's, that currently run in the GTA class, with their stock Scale Auto "S can" motor?

                              Tom

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                              • Originally posted by T man View Post
                                Interesting GT proposal, Pete.

                                What about the Scale Auto sidewinder GT's, that currently run in the GTA class, with their stock Scale Auto "S can" motor?

                                Tom
                                Excellent question! I failed to put my thinking on that particular combination in my post. That motor would be out under the proposed rules just as the the Scaleauto long can SC0011B's that come in the anglewinders and the SC0025B's that are in some inlines are not ok under the current rules. I included the 10.4W figure as the guideline because it would exclude all those Scaleauto motors. So it's any GT car, anybody's pod that fits, and any of the listed motors.

                                Pete
                                PS: I personally lean toward a list of specific motors rather than a Watts limit.

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