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  • GT2 rules, provisionally allowing converted NSR's, etc.

    I'm not sure what Al was referring to, exactly.

    However, I believe he may be referring to several discussions, over the last couple of months, with small groups of drivers.
    They were asking if, in GT2, we could try running NSR (or similar) GT's, IF they were
    concerted to an inline pod, AND using one of the plastic "adapters" that Ace Hobby sells to put a 21.5 k RPM "S can" motor (like the Orange end bell) in an inline pod designed for a long can (King type) motor. Geared like the rest of the GT2's using a 9/26 gear ratio. Converted NSR Mosler's CANNOT run in GT2, at this time.

    They wanted to include the NSR GT's (& similar) that many racers had, that were purchased as
    anglewinder long can (King) pods. Other GT manufacturers would be included also, if they could be
    converted to an inline pod, with an Orange end bell type motor, using the adapter sold at Ace Hobby.
    I think that Sloting Plus, might be the adapter manufacturer ???

    The result was that I said (verbally): "Provisionally, we would allow the manufacturers of GT's
    discussed above, to run in GT2."

    Sorry for any confusion.
    If that is not what Al is referring to, I trust that Al will let us know.

    Thanks.

    Tom
    Last edited by T man; 09-17-2016, 08:02 AM. Reason: No converted Mosler's

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    • GT2 rules, provisionally allowing converted NSR's, etc.
      Yes it was !!! Sorry about jumping the gun...
      Al

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      • Ace Hobby - Friday Night Racing Spet 16,2016 @ Yellow Dog Raceway

        We started with Racers

        Group C:
        1. Al, 75.65 laps
        2. Steve, 74.70
        3. Alex, 74.45
        4. Joe, 74.00
        5. Ron, 71.90
        6. Yellow Dog, 70.20
        7. Brian, 69.75
        8. Troydog, 67.25

        Best Lap Times:
        Yellow- Al, 9.098 sec.
        White- Al, 9.223
        Blue- Joe, 9.241
        Red- Alex, 9.376

        GT1:
        1. Al, 79.40 laps
        2. Joe, 78.45
        3. Ron, 76.10
        4. Yellow Dog, 72.15
        5. Steve, 70.90
        FUN RUN's in GTs
        Troydog 77.00
        Alex, 72.70
        Brian, 68.45

        Best Lap Times:
        Yellow- Joe, 8.690 sec.
        White- Al, 8.756
        Blue- Joe, 8.829
        Red- Al, 9.028

        Thanks to Steve for teching and the computer work ..
        Thanks Ron for the Track time, and a great place to race.
        Have a good day,

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        • Troy wanted the race resaults to include

          Troy wanted the race results to include that Troy and I swapped cars before the Group-C car race. I raced Troy's car which is why I did so well and also could prove that I am a good racer who just needs good cars to race. It is also why he was in last place in the race. (Or was it because what he consumed before the race?)


          Steve "SABarnes"

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          • Originally posted by SABarnes View Post
            Troy wanted the race results to include that Troy and I swapped cars before the Group-C car race. I raced Troy's car which is why I did so well and also could prove that I am a good racer who just needs good cars to race. It is also why he was in last place in the race. (Or was it because what he consumed before the race?)


            Steve "SABarnes"

            S.W.I. = Slotting while intoxicated ?

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            • On another note...

              Jumping right into this two of the classes at Ace have become completely wrecked as a result of handling the technical innovations of the manufacturers badly. Group C needs a weight limit similar to the Can-Ams to address the newer cars lighter weights. A 63 gram Nissan is going to have an advantage over the other heavier cars making for only a few models that are competitive. Cars are only going to get lighter in the future and then we are on to the next new thing.

              Secondly the Thunderslots in Can-Am need to be broken out into their own class or re-motored. Due to the width and weight distribution I'm not sure re-motoring will help. I've tested the motor against a number of S cans and it is considerably hotter than even the best motors of the other makes due to a number of factors. The stacks or laminations are considerably different as are the brushes both of which let the arm spin up faster than other motors out there. The magnets also gave out some interesting readings on the gauss meter principally providing almost three times as much downforce as the competition. Three records in one night should have raised an eyebrow but apparently a one make series is where that is headed under the current rules. Why buy a Slot It to race? You say re-motor with a Thunder-Slot motor, ok but that may very well bring us back to point one, wide and great weight distribution similar to what has happened with the car that wins all the GT 1 races on Fridays. Of course that will makes Ron's job easier. Just order up the Thunderslots and back off on the Slot It's.

              Finally, and I can hear the screaming now, we need a lot more transparency. Inspections need to be tougher and a post race opening of the podium cars. Yes it adds time, it's a PITA but it has a couple of positives too. No more grumbling about cheating and it lets the guys not doing so well absorb whatever they can from the review. Yup, the best racers will always rise to the top but a few small tricks can make the slower racers a lot closer and the races everyone remembers are the close ones.

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              • Interesting points

                Biggy:

                You have some interesting points in your comments, about both the Group C, & Can Am classes.
                Thank you for your input.

                There may need to be more discussion, especially in the Can Am class.

                Tom
                Last edited by T man; 09-18-2016, 05:32 PM. Reason: addition

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                • Originally posted by Biggy View Post
                  Group C needs a weight limit similar to the Can-Ams to address the newer cars lighter weights. A 63 gram Nissan is going to have an advantage over the other heavier cars making for only a few models that are competitive.
                  I think this is an oversimplification. A lighter car will accelerate more rapidly than an identical car of greater weight assuming all other factors are held equal. It may or may not achieve a higher top speed and may or may not corner as quickly. As they relate to our situation, torque, magnetic downforce, mechanical grip, mechanical drag, aerodynamic drag and traction will all play a part. Experience tends to indicate that additional weight properly located would benefit any cars handling characteristics.

                  Originally posted by Biggy View Post
                  The stacks or laminations are considerably different as are the brushes both of which let the arm spin up faster than other motors out there.
                  The brushes do appear to be of a softer material but do we have any information regarding their material composition?

                  Originally posted by Biggy View Post
                  The magnets also gave out some interesting readings on the gauss meter principally providing almost three times as much downforce as the competition.
                  Interesting, as the readings I obtained indicate that the primary reason for the Slot.it motors deficiency in downforce is the closed bottom side of the can. The readings taken from the magnets themselves in Slot.it, Thunderslot, and NSR S can motors are not significantly different, even among motors of 21.5K to 30K ratings.

                  Originally posted by Biggy View Post
                  Inspections need to be tougher and a post race opening of the podium cars. Yes it adds time, it's a PITA but it has a couple of positives too. No more grumbling about cheating and it lets the guys not doing so well absorb whatever they can from the review. Yup, the best racers will always rise to the top but a few small tricks can make the slower racers a lot closer and the races everyone remembers are the close ones.
                  Old Russian proverb (co-opted by Ronald Reagan): trust but verify

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                  • And while I'm at it... I understand that numerous proposals were made regarding what to do about the obvious superiority of the Thunderslot Lola (changing motors and so on). Was anything mentioned about the interiors? The Lola has a very lighweight interior. Given the enormous relative weight of the Slot.it interiors, allowing the available Slot.it brand Lexan interiors would go a long way towards reducing gross weight and lowering the CG.

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                    • Originally posted by T man View Post
                      Biggy:

                      You have some interesting points in your comments, about both the Group C, & Can Am classes.
                      Thank you for your input.

                      There may need to be more discussion, especially in the Can Am class.

                      Tom
                      Personally for Can-Am I think we just need to let it play out for a couple cycles of Monday racing and see what happens. As racers were going to try different configurations of brands and see how it turns out. Then after a couple cycles of racing, we should take a vote of the racers that continually support Mondays, and see what we think is best moving forward based off how racing goes in the next few weeks. The biggest thing to remember thru all of this is we need to support Ace Hobby.

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                      • Can Am

                        I agree. Let's see how the Thunderslots, and other variations in Can Am, play out over the next few weeks (minimum).

                        That being said, in retrospect, I believe I made a mistake in moving too soon with the Thunderslots Lola, BEFORE we had any race experience with it.
                        The rules were changed (including collapsing the sub-classes) on 9/10, and the first Can Am race the new Thunderslots Lolas were even in was on 9/12/16.

                        I jumped right over the usual procedures of testing, "fun runs" during actual races, etc..
                        My mistake, for not following our usual "protocol"l for a new manufacturer / new model. I apologize.
                        Now, we will move on, gain some experience, and so on. Only then, if need be, would "options" be considered.

                        Tom
                        Last edited by T man; 09-20-2016, 05:44 PM. Reason: addition.

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                        • Monday No Magnet 09/19/16

                          We started with 11 racers!

                          DP
                          1. TroyDog 72.55
                          2. Pete 7.75
                          3. Alex 70.20
                          4. Al 70.10 by position
                          5. Joe 70.10
                          6. Ron 69.90
                          7. Kevin 68.30
                          8. YellowDog 66.85

                          Best Laps
                          Yellow- Al 9.619
                          White- TroyDog 9.687
                          Blue- TroyDog 9.819
                          Red- Al 9.606

                          Scaley GT
                          1. Roger 70.70

                          Best Laps by Roger
                          Yellow 9.939
                          White 9.895
                          Blue 9.916
                          Red 9.967

                          Scaley GTU
                          1. Chris 69.35
                          2. Sal 57.85

                          Best Lapsby Chris
                          Yellow 10.325
                          White 10.271
                          Blue 10.171
                          Red 10.233


                          LMP
                          1. Joe 78.10
                          2. Al 77.85
                          3. Chris 77.10
                          4. YellowDog 73.10
                          5. Kevin 71.10
                          6. Pete 67.90
                          7. Sal 66.70

                          Best Laps by Joe
                          Yellow 8.819
                          White 8.808
                          Blue 8.771
                          Red 8.988

                          Thanks Ron for the track time!

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                          • Monday No Magnet 09/26/16

                            We started with 8 racers!

                            Can-Am--Combined
                            1. TroyDog 78.60
                            2. Al 78.20
                            3. Chris 76.10
                            4. Alex 75.40
                            5. Ron 72.35
                            6. Tom 69.70
                            7. YellowDog 67.05
                            8. Pete 70.70

                            Best Laps
                            Yellow- TroyDog 8.947
                            White- Al 9.035
                            Blue- Al 9.070
                            Red- Al 9.078

                            Group-C
                            1. Al 77.55
                            2. Alex 76.50
                            3. Chris 76.15
                            4. TroyDog 76.10
                            5. Ron 74.70
                            6. Pete 71.45
                            7. YellowDog 69.10

                            Best Laps
                            Yellow- Al 9.068
                            White- TroyDog 9.108
                            Blue- Chris 9.263
                            Red- Al 9.250


                            LMP
                            1. Ron 79.05
                            2. Al 78.55
                            3. Chris 78.35
                            4. TroyDog 76.90
                            5. Pete 72.35
                            6. YellowDog 71.60

                            Best Laps by Ron
                            Yellow 8.692
                            White 8.784
                            Blue 8.854
                            Red 8.959

                            Thanks Ron for the track time
                            Alex

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                            • October 1st!!!

                              Ace Saturday Enduro! Oct. 1 st.
                              As we did last Fall/Winter we will be starting up the Ace Hobby Endurance races
                              The First one will be held on October 1st. Mark it on your calender's!!
                              Classes will include Group C, GT-1, GT-2, and Can-am
                              A change rules for Can Am and Gt-2
                              10 Dollar entry fee on day of race. Come out and support your local hobby shop!

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                              • Friday Night No Mag 9/30/16

                                We started with 10 racers!

                                Group C
                                1. Al 76.70-- Tie Record for 2nd
                                2. TroyDog 75.40
                                3. Alex 74.90 by times
                                4. Russ 74.90
                                5. Ron 73.30
                                6. Bvacc 72.10
                                7. Tvacc 71.45
                                8. Max 67.60
                                9. Steve 66.85
                                10. Paul 64.05

                                Best Laps
                                Yellow- Alex 9.072
                                White- Russ 9.234
                                Blue- Russ 9.238
                                Red- Alex 9.356


                                GT-1
                                1. Joe 78.50
                                2. Russ 78.440
                                3. TroyDog 77.60
                                4. Al 77.40
                                5. Ron 76.15
                                6. Alex 72.55
                                7. Tvacc 72.35
                                8. Bvacc 71.85
                                9. Steve 70.45
                                10. Paul 66.00

                                Best Laps
                                Yellow- Joe 8.772
                                White- Russ 8.784
                                Blue- Russ 8.939
                                Red- Joe 9.117

                                Thanks Ron for the track time, and a great place to race!
                                Alex
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                                Class Lap Records for Friday Nights at Yellow Dog Raceway
                                (3 minute heats)

                                Group C:
                                1. Al 76.90 5/27/16
                                2. Al, 76.70 Laps --- 12/4/15 & 04/01/16 & 09/30/16, TroyDog 4/15/16
                                3. Russ, 76.55 --- 9/4/15 & Al, 2/5/16


                                GTs:
                                1. Russ 81.35 5/27/16
                                2. Alex 80.60 5/27/16
                                3. Alex 80.35 08/26/16-New



                                LMPs:
                                1. TroyDog-- 81.30 5/27/16---
                                2. Al, 80.70 Laps --- 3/18/16 & TroyDog 4/15/16
                                3. Troydog, 80.45 --- 3/18/16

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