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    Official Rules 2015 v.1.1
    Feb 1 2015
    Changes from 2014 marked in red


    The Pony Wars Proxy Series is for Saloons or Coupe (no 2 seaters) cars that raced from 1966 to 1972 inclusive 2 classes according to the engine capacity of the 1/1 car that run:
    -in the Under 2 litres class during the 1966 to 1972 era (ex.-Alfa Romeo, Porsche 911, Datsun, Mini-etc)
    -in the Over class during the 1966 to 1972 era (ex-Mustang, Camaro, Cuda, Challenger, Firebird-etc).
    To avoid turning into a single model proxy there will be a limit to 6 copies of a single model entered,i.e. no more than 6 Camaros,6 Mustangs etc.Returning entrants have priority provided they have paid their entry fee by April 10 2015,from that point on, first come first served.



    Organization:
    The Pony Wars Proxy Series (PWPS) field will be restricted to 24 entrants. The entry fee is US$30 per car and individuals and manufacturers are encouraged to prepare and submit cars. Each entrant may enter up to 2 cars ,1 per class,second car fee US$ 20. The PWPS is organized by Alexis Gaitanis (alexis in greece).


    Cars are to be posted to:
    Alexis Gaitanis
    273 Patision str
    Athens 11254
    Greece

    Cars should be packed in bubble wrap and definitely NOT in their original boxes,in the later case boxes will not be returned.Cars to be in Athens for tech inspection by May 10 ,2015 at the latest.There will not be late arrival penalty but if your car arrives late it will miss the first round(s)

    All cars will be photographed and will pass through technical inspection prior to the first race event. If a car is found to be out of compliance with rules the car will at the organizer’s discretion have adjustments or modifications made in collaboration with the car owner to bring the car in compliance of PWPS rules, or the car will be returned to the owner (time permitting) to be brought within compliance of PWPS rules.It's the owners obligation to cover the parts/cost of parts used to bring the car to compliance. No changes to cars beyond maintenance and necessary repair will be made after passing through technical inspection.


    Finishing order for each round of the proxy race, and the entire series, will be determined by distance covered, based on laps within a set amount of time. A minimum of 3 minutes racing time per car per lane is required at each track. Otherwise, each race will be conducted according to procedures chosen by the individual track host. Each car is to be raced in a fair and equal manner and subject to the same track conditions. Lane and driver rotations to be determined by track host. Track voltage,preferably 12 volts, determined by race host, but must be equal for all cars.

    A running inspection of cars is to be made before and after each race. Cars may be cleaned, lubricated and tires sanded. Minor repairs such as braid , wire or screw replacement, gear adjustment or wheel reattachment to take place prior to the car being raced and will not be penalized. If car breaks during a race the track owner or driver may repair that car during its race heat time and return it to the track losing only the time needed for repair. A broken car, if running, may complete its race heats at the track owner’s discretion. Major repairs which take longer than race time, such as chassis fix, guide fix, gear or motor replacement will be completed at the track. If the car’s owner wishes, the damaged car will be sent home for repair between races at the car owner’s expense. Car is to be forwarded to the next event also at the owner’s expense.




    Car Rules


    The following rules are to ensure a competitive field of scale model race cars. Pony Wars Proxy Series race organizer decisions are final in the interpretation and application of these rules.


    I. Body


    1) No vacuum formed or blow moulded bodies. Bodies must be injection moulded or resin cast, in 1/32 scale (as claimed by manufacturers). This will allow cars that are slightly out of scale to be used as long as they comply with rule 2 below regarding max width.
    Both “fantasy liveries” and accurate reproductions of real cars are allowed.

    2)Class U
    Bodies may be no wider than 57 mm (2.24”) (excluding mirrors, side exhaust , air intakes, door handles and solid fenders extensions -such as Mercedes Gullwing,eyebrows) at the widest part.
    Class O
    Bodies may be no wider than 65 mm (2.56”) (excluding mirrors, side exhaust , air intakes, door handles and solid fenders extensions such as Mercedes Gullwing) at the widest

    But they have to look right,i dont expect to see a Mini 57 mm wide.Cars non compliant will be returned to their owners.

    3) Tires must be fully under the fenders. No tire may project beyond body work, as viewed from above, at maximum side travel of wheels.Inside of fenders may be ground to allow wider track, but shall not be visible from outside.
    Body modifications such as flares over tires are not permitted unless the actual car raced with them.
    Failure to comply will incur a penalty of :
    -5% of distance covered in the first race if the issue can be fixed before the series start or
    -5% of distance covered in each race if the issue cannot be fixed

    4) Bodies must be removable to allow inspection and photography prior to the first race and to allow maintenance and repair during the race series.
    Failure to comply will incur a penalty of :
    -5% of distance covered in the first race if the issue can be fixed before the series start or
    -5% of distance covered in each race if the issue cannot be fixed


    5) Driver figure is required, with representation of at least head, shoulders and arms.Driver shall be positioned somewhere near proper seating area and able to "see" out the windshield. If vac-formed, must be of reasonable detail and proportion .Paper drivers and/or cockpits are not permitted. Driver must be in period costume i.e. no full face helmet.
    Failure to comply will incur a penalty of 5% of distance covered in each race .



    6) Must run an interior, with representation of at least dashboard top and rear shelf, as appropriate to actual car. Lightweight materials may be used for interior .
    Interior must include representation of dashboard top, as seen through windshield, and shelf under rear window, as appropriate to actual car. Vacuum formed interior pieces may be used.No mechanical parts to be seen through cockpit .Paper cockpits are not permitted
    Failure to comply will incur a penalty of 5% of distance covered in each race .


    7) Clear window material must be present as on the actual car.Must have full windshield and full rear window. Must also have any rear passenger windows in place.
    Windows may be vacuum formed.Only the windows in the doors, both sides, may be removed.
    Failure to comply will incur a penalty of 5% of distance covered in each race .


    8) Required body details are head lights and tail lights, as appropriate. Working lights are not required.
    Failure to comply will incur a penalty of 5% of distance covered in each race .


    9) Any paint, decals and markings may be used. Racing numbers are required.Numbers are required to be visible on both sides, and on top (hood, trunk, and/or roof)
    Both “fantasy liveries” and accurate reproductions of real cars are encouraged.


    10) Entrant’s name must be written on underside of chassis in paint, silver Sharpie, or engraved. Body screw adjustment information on car underside is encouraged.


    11) The car must be pre-registered and race number obtained prior to tech inspection. Duplicate race numbers will not be permitted.


    12)Bodies may be lowered, but not "slammed".
    Any body in our opinion having the "slammed" look, will be subject to judging by 3 other people.
    These 3 "judges" will make final decison about the car.
    If judges decide body is too low, car will be sent back .


    II. Chassis
    1)Any chassis having a pod (ie-Spirit,SCX,non HRS Slot.it and similar) must have pod screwed and glued tight.
    May use adaptors to mount motor, or simply glue motor in.
    Weight may be placed above or below chassis. Be sure it is secured properly. If it falls off (whether mounted topside or bottomside), it stays off.If weight is loose inside body, it shall be removed before being raced further.
    May use spacers or other means to set front axle height. Axle height cannot be adjustable once set.

    2)Chassis must be plastic, commercially available,( no scratchbuilt) ,stock or aftermarket of inline or sidewinder motor layout and either of a single piece or if poded with pod glued or firmly screwed,no drop arms(not even glued).If the chassis is not the one that came with the body it has to be in inline layount.Sebring and PCS or similar chassis are considered as single piece therefore allowed whereas HRS and Monte Carlo or similar are NOT considered as single piece and therefore are not allowed even with glued pod.
    Chassis may be cut or lengthened to fit body. Must use plastic for reinforcement.
    Chassis may be shaved along it's edges to allow body float
    Chassis may be reworked to fit desired motor (ie-standard can in chassis designed for slim can motor, and vice versa)
    Motor must remain in stock location of chassis, and in same configuration.
    Any weight added shall be of lead type material.
    No metal (aluminum, brass, steel-etc) may be used for weight or strengthening purposes (ie-guide post).
    Cars non compliant will be returned to their owners.

    3)Use of carbon fiber is not permitted.
    Cars non compliant will be returned to their owners.

    4)Width from outer tire shoulder to outer tire shoulder for front and rear axles may not exceed
    U class 53.5mm (2.10”).
    O Class 63mm (2.48”).
    Failure to comply will incur a penalty of :
    -5% of distance covered in the first race if the issue can be fixed before the series start or
    -5% of distance covered in each race if the issue cannot be fixed

    5) All wheel drive, front wheel drive and multiple motors may be used only if the actual car used them. Otherwise car is to be rear wheel drive.
    Failure to comply will incur a penalty of :
    Cars non compliant will be returned to their owners.

    6) Underside of car chassis, added weight and body must clear track road surface (not rails), on level track, by 1mm (0.040”) minimum.
    Gears and front spoilers may be lower, but cars may be excluded from racing if gear or spoiler contact the track or rails (track owner's discretion).
    Failure to comply will incur a penalty of :
    -5% of distance covered in the first race if the issue can be fixed before the series start or
    -5% of distance covered in each race if the issue cannot be fixed

    7) Guide must be entirely under body, and not visible when viewed from above in forward postition .
    Recommendation---Guide flag shall be no deeper than .225 below the bottom of front tires.
    As a general rule the guide should go through Ninco and Scalextric R1 turns.
    Problem guides:
    -Slot.it wood SICH07 even if depth trimmed,too long does not g through Ninco R1 corners.
    -Scaleauto SC-1601-1602-1603
    And any other of similar dimensions
    There will be no penalty and no guide changes ,but if a car cannot go through the corner it will be considered as DNS and will be awarded 0 points for that race.


    8) No traction magnets are permitted.
    Failure to comply will incur a penalty of :
    -5% of distance covered in the first race if the issue can be fixed before the series start or
    -return to owner if the issue cannot be fixed

    9)Name and body screw adjustment information on chassis underside is encouraged.

    III. Tires and Wheels
    Tires may be glued to the wheels (highly recommended!!!)
    Tires may be trimmed (narrowed) to meet width requirements for class.
    Tires may be profiled on both outside and inside of tire.


    1) Rear and front tires can be from any manufacturer provided they are rubber or urethane (no silicone tires allowed).No chemical treatment of tires (such as oil soaking) is permitted
    U class
    Must not exceed 7.5mm width.
    Minimum diameter 15mm
    Front tires minimum width 5 mm
    O class
    Must not exceed 10mm width.
    Minimum diameter 17mm
    Front tires minimum width 7.5 mm

    2) The rear wheels cannot have a smaller diameter than the front wheels.

    3) Wheels can be from any manufacturer. Inserts should be applied to wheels, unless wheels are spoked or pierced in at least a semi-realistic manner. Blank aluminium discs, or three-slot discs, must be covered with an insert period compatible.

    Failure to comply will incur a penalty of :
    -5% of distance covered in the first race if the issue can be fixed before the series start or
    -5% of distance covered in each race if the issue cannot be fixed




    IV. Motors


    1) Motors must be stock, as manufactured, but may be run-in prior to this race series. No changes or modifications to motor are permitted aside from removal of capacitors, chokes, or resistors external to the motor.
    No capacitors or other electrical devices may be fitted to motor circuit.


    2) No capacitors or other electrical devices may be fitted to motor circuit, except for as-manufactured suppressor and lighting devices.

    3) Motors drawing excessive current, which results in slowing other cars on the track, or tripping of overload protectors in track circuit, will be regarded as faulty and disqualified from racing on that track.

    4) Motors are limited to
    U class
    Ninco NC1, NC8, BWA FF-050 slim can (old and new 2013 version), BWA-NC1 (old and new 2013 version), Cartrix TX-1, Pink Kar Power Plus 1, Artin white endbell 13,000 RPM/12v motor,M/T FF-050/SL1 slim can and M/T FC-130/SL1.
    O class
    Scalextric/Fly S can(black stripe), Pioneer Typhoon 18k's(small p), Carrera E200, SCX RX42B or H&R Hawk
    Cars non compliant will be returned to their owners for repairs at their expense


    Enjoy
    Last edited by alexis in greece; 04-17-2015, 04:15 AM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by alexis in greece View Post
    Official Rules 2015 v.1.1


    U class
    Must not exceed 7.5mm width.

    Why not 8mm?

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    • #3
      Same as last year

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      • #4
        Following up on Vagger's comment, might it be possible to amend this year's rules to expand the width of the rear tires in the U class to 8.5mm? Clearly this past year, the NRS rubber tires did well and their minimum stock width is 8.5mm. Last year they had to be narrowed. it would make things a lot easier, and perhaps more competitive, if we could used NRS rubber without the need for the narrowing. Just a thought.


        Allan

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        • #5
          I thought that we where alternating tire compounds silicone one year, urethane/rubber the next?

          George

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          • #6
            No, I think that this is a perennial rubber/urethane tire proxy. Alexis, correct me if I'm wrong.


            Allan

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            • #7
              George sorry, no silicone tires in this proxy.
              Allan,the U cars are low power and represent Group 2 cars mostly,they would not look right with wider tires.And some cars ,especially those under 1,3 litres ,have no room for wider tires.

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              • #8
                When I first entered it was any tire, most ran silicone, there where close to 30 cars in 3 classes.
                Then it changed 2 classes with spec. tires, Yellow Dog, there was talk of alternating compounds like the Can Am proxy,
                Last year it was urethane/rubber, I thought it was to make it easier on the new race master
                Just wanted to check, before planing my car(s).

                George

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                • #9
                  Under II Chassis (1), it says: "May use spacers or other means to set front axle height". Are SCC front axle blocks legal on O class cars?


                  Allan

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                  • #10
                    Yes

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                    • #11
                      U Class chassis

                      Quick question, in the U class the rules state if the chassis didn't come with the car make/body, it has to be inline.

                      Does that men I could enter a SRC Capri body and chassis, which is a 1970-74 MK1 facelift Capri, with the stock sidewinder chassis?

                      Don M

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                      • #12
                        Yes but beware of:
                        4)Width from outer tire shoulder to outer tire shoulder for front and rear axles may not exceed
                        U class 53.5mm (2.10”).
                        Last edited by alexis in greece; 04-20-2015, 11:59 AM.

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                        • #13
                          I just measured the donor car...its as though you wrote the rules to match the car! And that's with the stock wheels. Maybe it will be a bit more competitive this time.

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                          • #14
                            Alexis
                            I am interested in entering but have a question rule 5 ... driver must be in period costume i.e. no full face helmet. Were these not used by drivers from 1968 forward?
                            Just want to make sure I cover my bases.
                            Thank you
                            Dale

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                            • #15
                              Question on the wheel in O class. Does it have to be a MiniLite wheel? I have the pink Scaley Challenger and it came with the steel rally wheel. Will this cause a penalty?

                              Guess not look at some historic photos and I see all kinds of wheels being used.


                              http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.p...52373#msg52373
                              Last edited by arroldn; 05-02-2015, 06:16 AM.

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