Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

2012 Scratchbuilt Chassis Proxy round 3 Marsden Park

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • 2012 Scratchbuilt Chassis Proxy round 3 Marsden Park

    Happy to report that the cars are now here.

    Arrived this morning (Anna Bay time)and I have given the cars a quick inspection and a few laps on the track to see how the cars get around my fairly small layout.

    I ran the cars at 12 volts.

    Some cars have a few issues and today time does not allow me to get right into that,however of the 11 cars there are some little beauties,

    Don't take too much notice of this first track run, but for the owners it may help to see where their cars might be in the pecking order,

    in no particular order......

    DeTomaso: 4.540 smooth car to drive, grip good,does have a tendency to understeer off on fast corners

    Commodore(Opel??): not great, bouncy through corners,could be tyre rub as the guards are close to rubbing 5.037

    Celica: super car Mmmoose,can I keep this one?very sweet to drive ,wouldn't expect anything less,
    4.284

    Capri #1: nice car Matt,again like the Celica very smooth and punchy,easy to drive and push hard if you wish 4.384

    Lancia: Alexis,your car has some sort of vibration not only through the corners either,I had a close look and found the guide very loose,ran the car without the body and it was very nice,with the body back on ,well, its a bit of a dog! Did a 4.522 with the chassis only,could be that the rears are touching the vac form interior,which appears to have dropped,I will take the body off the car tonight to see if that is the problem.

    Update....Had a go at doing something to fix the shudder on your car,reglued(read restuck with masking tape) the interior and ran the car for a few laps,now doing a very respectable 4.409

    BMW 635 CSI : 4.603 nice,easy to push,car may be a little top heavy,otherwise should go well .

    Zakspeed Escort: the car I was itching to drive,very quick,maybe too much for here though,4.481 but I was hangin' on

    Capri #69: car seemed heavy and tyres are real low,4.713

    BMW #15 MNewns : a little edgy and unpredictable,can be quick but hard to be consistent 4.723

    Capri #3 : Good car to drive no issues 4.564

    BMW M1: 4.631 seemed okay to drive without any real issues,maybe a bit on the heavy side,at least it felt that way.

    So,my first run with the cars,no real dramas,I will have a look at the cars in the time ahead,clean braids,tyres and a little oil if necessary.

    I'm going down south to visit my old Dad tomorrow and will be away for 3 days,I'm expecting that the race will be run and won by the weekend possible Sunday(could be Monday at the worst)

    Be happy to respond to any questions in the short time before I go away,

    Terry
    Last edited by newso; 09-24-2012, 03:12 AM.

  • #2
    Don't worry about any car other than number 3. That's the only one that needs your help.

    Comment


    • #3
      Thanks Terry

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by alexis in greece View Post
        Thanks Terry

        No worries Alex, have a look at my first post I have fixed the shudder and your car is fine,nice to drive,but looking at the car it could easily have a wider rear track,probably 2-3 mm more if you just used longer spacers.

        Terry

        Comment


        • #5
          sounds like my motor has entered a hyper active phase subsequent to her trying to detonate earlier on. Give her heaps terry!

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by Manimmal View Post
            sounds like my motor has entered a hyper active phase subsequent to her trying to detonate earlier on. Give her heaps terry!
            Something I forgot to mention in my first post regarding your car Chris,

            When your car comes onto the back straight and I went for full power the car wanted to jump at the front end,such is the power of the motor ,in my opinion,I think the guide tongue has too much flex and maybe if the guide tongue was rigid it wouldn't produce this springing effect once the car gets full power,after a few laps I eased the power onto the straight and the car was better,the trouble is of course you really want to give it some stick!Then the front lifts,got to remember to be "gentle with the finger",works much better that way.

            Terry

            Comment


            • #7
              Family obligations completed,(for the time being) so now I can get down to racing.

              Before qualifying I gave the track a big clean,sucked up all the dust and debris,gave the braids a good wipe down,and generally gave the track a bit of TLC.

              Initially traction was down a bit,due no doubt to the track being cleaned,but it wasn't too long before the times came down to closely resemble practice times from a few days ago.

              QUALIFYING

              1. #56 Mmmoose Celica 4.276 (practice 4.284)
              2. #1 Biedmatt Capri 4.341 (4.384)
              3. #51 Alexis Lancia Beta Montecarlo 4.429 (4.409)
              4. #2 Mannimal Zakspeed Escort 4.476 (4.481)
              5. #13 RollingThunder DeTomaso Pantera 4.600 (4.540)
              6. #25 03raledale BMW635 4.677 (4.603)
              7. #3 Sport racer Capri 4.691 (4.564)
              8. #15 MNewns BMW 320i 4.791 (4.723)
              9. #61 HGPanel BMW M1 4.808 (4.631)
              10. #69 RSClio Capri 4.894 (4.713)
              11. #23 Commodore 5.105 (5.037)

              Just a couple of things to report;

              #13 your tyres are very "square" and are getting low,it certainly showed this evening as your car was not as stable as during practice
              #25 tyres seem quite hard
              #69 tyres are nearly shot,not sure how many rounds to go but tyres will be an issue before too long your crown gear is almost hitting the track
              #61 as with the others your car is suffering with the wrong tyres,also your rear body mount is very loose and I will have a look at it tomorrow,screw works itself loose quite easily,should not be too hard a fix

              The rest of the field seems okay not a lot between the top cars,I thing it just about comes down to tyres,or having a car which is too powerful for my track.

              Race day will be Sunday (Anna Bay time)

              Terry

              Comment


              • #8
                Hi Terry

                Nice to see that we are back on track and the usual suspects are up at the top. Have fun running them and NO you cannot keep the Celica.

                Ken

                Comment


                • #9
                  [QUOTE=newso;672832]Family obligations completed,(for the time being) so now I can get down to racing.


                  #13 your tyres are very "square" and are getting low,it certainly showed this evening as your car was not as stable as during practice


                  Thanks for the update! What are the rules for replacing the tires? Can they be replaced? and if so, what is the best way to take care of this? Send some new wheels and tires from the USA or arrange for a top notch Australian mechanic to source them locally and install them with an accompanying financial reward (or as we say in the US...a healthy bribe?)?

                  Don M

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Hey Don,

                    well after posting the qualifying times last night I thought today i would have a closer look at some of the cars which i thought should have performed better,yours being one of them.

                    Bearing in mind the low tread on the tyres I gave them a very minor "true up" and rounded the edges,your car improved very nicely and was lapping this afternoon probably 1 or 2 thenths faster than last night.

                    Today I looked at all cars and gave them a clean,light oil and made sure the tyres are as good as they can be,but some cars are in tyre trouble and my attention will not be of much benefit to those cars.

                    I don't know how many rounds are still to be run,so you may need to get some rubber on your car at the next round,I will know better once this round is run tomorrow.

                    As an aside to all this car #3 (sports racer capri) improved significantly this afternoon to be lapping in the 4.4 region with consistent laps in the 4.5 range.

                    Looking forward to this as I believe there are some cars here which may surprise.

                    Terry

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      We don't get pics of all the cars together,and for the entrants,they probably haven't seen their car for some months,thats if you are not Mmoose or biedmatt or mannimal,'cos they are the ones that are rightly mentioned in past threads,so here are my pics from todays field,not necessarily the class of 2012 but the field as it is;


                      This may be Tobys' first scratch chassis,hopefully not the last and from this maybe a few lessons learnt on this black art of scratch building,NC5 or NC6 powered,anglewinder,bit heavy with no movement built into the chassis,and a difficult body to work with,the rears are tight on this car and I've made an executive decision to put a spare pair of my own on the back,just to give the car a better ride.


                      When it comes to proxy racing our series director is always there,never one to provide concours cars,on the contrary,some of them could best be described as "dogs' breakfasts",but,without exception,they always seem to be up the pointy end.


                      RSClios' capri is a strange one,when I tried to do a maintenance on the car I found the chassis glued to the body,I could not get it off!
                      The chassis from underneath looks very neat and I'm sure there is a good reason to present the car this way,I'd love to know!Car is quick although at this stage I feel tyres will let this car down.


                      I do like this car!Its a bit on the heavy side and the tyres are starting to get down a bit but its fun to drive and for me its what Gp5 should be,sort of out there,exotic Italian machinery and boxed guards


                      This is the replacement body for MNewns Aston,its not terrific,but I suppose its worthy of mention as it shows the determination to get this entry back on the track after the disaster of round 1,the car as it is now is a mongrel dog,it won't behave itself and although its blinding quick down my short straight it does not want to turn left (or right for that matter)


                      I love this car!For me it sums up scratch building beautifully.Its a lovely car to drive,handles great and honestly I find it hard to put it down.Ken has shown here what a well built scratch car can do,its almost,well, inspirational,makes me want to get down into the shed,crank up the iron and start cutting and soldering.Oh,did I say its' quick?


                      Probably the most interesting car in the field,Chris has done a great job with this little beauty,its very quick and is a bit of a handful on my little track,but its fun to drive,the innovative way Chris has blended the interior to the chassis is something to keep in mind for future builds.


                      HGpanels BMW M1 is a nice neat little car,good speed and a good mid pack runner,my only concern is that there is no "stop" on the guide tongue and as a result the car can get stuck at right angles to the slot,effectively a deslot,I think if a stop on the tongue had been incorporated in to the build it would be a much better car.


                      Matt always does himself proud in proxy racing,this car is no exception,its well put together and has good speed,will certainly be a podium contender,but where exactly is to be seen,nice car Matt!


                      Another neat car from Alexis,like Matt, Alexis doesn't disappoint when you see his cars on the grid,after a minor issue with the interior fouling the rear wheels this car is getting quicker each time out on the track,this car may be a surprise on the day


                      03raledale (gawd I love some of these handles!)neat little BMW,quite quick and the choice of tyres is probably letting it down,where most of the field is on NSR or SlotIt,here we have Paul Gages' urethane tyres,good tyres but won't cut it against the much softer NSR's and SlotIts,handy car and well put together.


                      This is your field for round 3 at Marsden Park,should have it all done and dusted by this time tomorrow evening,good luck to all the entrants,

                      Terry
                      Last edited by newso; 09-29-2012, 06:06 AM.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Thank you Terry for spending the time to show us the remains of the field, you are right it has been a long time since I have seen my car. . Some of the competitors cars are just being seen up close for the first time. Keep up the good work.

                        Ken

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          [QUOTE=newso;673076]Hey Don,

                          well after posting the qualifying times last night I thought today i would have a closer look at some of the cars which i thought should have performed better,yours being one of them.

                          Bearing in mind the low tread on the tyres I gave them a very minor "true up" and rounded the edges,your car improved very nicely and was lapping this afternoon probably 1 or 2 thenths faster than last night.

                          Today I looked at all cars and gave them a clean,light oil and made sure the tyres are as good as they can be,but some cars are in tyre trouble and my attention will not be of much benefit to those cars.

                          I don't know how many rounds are still to be run,so you may need to get some rubber on your car at the next round,I will know better once this round is run tomorrow.




                          Thanks Terry! I can send a wheel and tire package if I have an address or forward the funds if they are available locally! I just checked eBay and found a new set already trued, so I could order them and have them shipped directly to you or the next race location if necessary. There isn't anyone around here for hundreds of miles that actually carry parts for scratchbuilding!

                          Let me know!

                          Don M.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Round 3 has been run and won!

                            Terrific days racing with a very tight result at the top,although I was expecting a tight race I did not think it would get this close,


                            Race Results;

                            1. #56 Mmmoose1 Celica 162.88 laps
                            2. #51 Alexis Lancia Montecarlo Turbo 162.12
                            3. #1 Biedmatt Zakspeed Capri 158.30
                            4.#13 RollingThunder DeTomaso Pantera 152.39
                            5. #2 Mannimal Zakspeed Escort 151.35
                            6. #3 Sports Racer Zakspeed Capri 149.67
                            7. #25 03raledale BMW 635 147.69
                            8. #15 MNewns BMW 320i 141.28
                            9. #61 HGPanel BMW M1 139.87
                            10. #66 RSClio Zakspeed Capri 139.51
                            11. #23 Opel Commodore 121.43

                            Fastest Lap #56 Mmmoose1 4.266

                            Just to appreciate the finish was first place was just 3.3 seconds in front of the second place car!

                            Have to say thank you to all the entrants who entrusted your cars to me for the last week,I have thoroughly enjoyed the experience.

                            I will post a breakdown on lap counts for each lane and fastest laps for each entrant later on.

                            Terry
                            Last edited by newso; 09-30-2012, 02:12 AM.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              I've been so busy cranking out the Honda for the VRAA and hosting the GPdG proxy, that I missed this whole thread until Ken set me straight. Thank you for the great run Terry and the pictures of the rest of the field. Some great looking cars there. Congrats to Ken and Alexis. Just over half a lap between them, very close indeed!

                              On a side note, is there an overall standing for the field?

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X