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Old 05-15-2018, 06:54 AM
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"Define 'properly'."--DTD

In this context, "properly", of course, is defined by the rules.

And if the rules change (and they do) "properly" is instantly re-defined.

Petty Racing was dominant in the '60s and '70s. They have only barely been relevant for decades.

Our 1:1 program has gone from dominant to competitive. Our response? We are building a new car.

It's what racers do.

Yet eventually every effort fades and new ones replace them.

The best we can hope for in life, as well as racing, is to shine for a little while.
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Old 05-15-2018, 09:12 AM
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Thank for the reply. I was responding to this original comment (which I know you didn't make);

"The problem is that only Haas, so far, have been able to take advantage of the softening of the rules on what is allowed, and they have leapfrogged teams that are still doing things properly."

What I'm not understanding is if Haas has stayed within the rules how are they not doing it "properly"? It seems that bending and taking advantage of every available loophole in auto racing has been going on since day one. It is not only accepted, it is expected for competitors to push the limits.
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Old 05-15-2018, 09:31 AM
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I have my own definition of what a proper F1 team is, and Haas don't qualify.
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Old 05-15-2018, 09:40 AM
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Thank you for your reply.

If they have stayed within the current rules IMO that would qualify them as "proper". It's hard to call a team illegitimate if they have played within the existing rules. Where does the "purer than thou" line of thinking stop? Should the teams all be required to mine & smelt their own precious metals as well rather than buying already processed stock materials?


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I have my own definition of what a proper F1 team is, and Haas don't qualify.
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Old 05-15-2018, 11:38 AM
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Old 05-15-2018, 12:26 PM
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Jay - I have no idea what that means

Randy - I don't think of Haas as being a proper F1 team, despite the rules (saying they now are), the same way you moan about the lack of overtaking, despite the rules (being responsible for that).

We all have F1 things we don't agree with, as the fix thread proves.
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Old 05-15-2018, 01:53 PM
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I am glad that Haas F1 is doing well, and that F1 itself has goals that are performance related.
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Old 05-15-2018, 01:58 PM
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F1 has many goals, it is a complex sport.

if all they cared about was performance, they would never of allowed Haas in. They would force all the teams to build to the extent that Ferrari do, and let costs go wherever that leads.

That would then show who truly has the best performance.
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Old 05-16-2018, 01:46 PM
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Spain lap chart:

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Old 05-16-2018, 10:55 PM
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Round 6





Race 6 of 21 in the 2018 Formula One World Championship

Date 27 May 2018
Official name Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2018
Location Circuit de Monaco, La Condamine and Monte Carlo, Monaco
Course Street circuit

Course length 3.337 km (2.073 mi)
Distance 78 laps, 260.286 km (161.734 mi)
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Old 05-24-2018, 01:33 PM
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Times
1 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 1:12.126
2 Max Verstappen Red Bull 0.154s
3 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 0.354s
4 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 0.915s
5 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 0.940s
6 Carlos Sainz Renault 1.330s
7 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 1.376s
8 Sergio Perez Force India 1.591s
9 Romain Grosjean Haas 1.817s
10 Sergey Sirotkin Williams 1.836s
11 Esteban Ocon Force India 1.874s
12 Brendon Hartley Toro Rosso 1.908s
13 Nico Hulkenberg Renault 2.008s
14 Pierre Gasly Toro Rosso 2.114s
15 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren 2.165s
16 Charles Leclerc Sauber 2.395s
17 Fernando Alonso McLaren 2.511s
18 Lance Stroll Williams 2.656s
19 Marcus Ericsson Sauber 3.080s
20 Kevin Magnussen Haas 6.675s



Times
1 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 1:11.841
2 Max Verstappen Red Bull 0.194s
3 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 0.572s
4 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 0.695s
5 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 0.702s
6 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 0.801s
7 Nico Hulkenberg Renault 1.206s
8 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren 1.236s
9 Fernando Alonso McLaren 1.274s
10 Carlos Sainz Renault 1.359s
11 Brendon Hartley Toro Rosso 1.381s
12 Sergio Perez Force India 1.529s
13 Esteban Ocon Force India 1.541s
14 Pierre Gasly Toro Rosso 1.569s
15 Sergey Sirotkin Williams 1.706s
16 Kevin Magnussen Haas 1.731s
17 Charles Leclerc Sauber 1.734s
18 Romain Grosjean Haas 1.922s
19 Lance Stroll Williams 2.17s
20 Marcus Ericsson Sauber 2.332s
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Old 05-24-2018, 02:17 PM
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The pundits who predicted Red Bull would be strong at Monaco are looking right so far. The question is whether Merc or Ferrari are holding back? Or, if not, will they be able to find something more on Saturday. Lewis usually finds more speed somehow. We'll see.
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Old 05-26-2018, 04:37 AM
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DR should walk this one.

FP3 Times
1 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 1:11.786 23 laps
2 Max Verstappen Red Bull 0.001s 14 laps
3 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 0.237s 23 laps
4 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 0.356s 26 laps
5 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 0.487s 26 laps
6 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 0.57s 27 laps
7 Brendon Hartley Toro Rosso 0.966s 25 laps
8 Pierre Gasly Toro Rosso 0.975s 23 laps
9 Carlos Sainz Renault 1.064s 24 laps
10 Sergey Sirotkin Williams 1.068s 23 laps
11 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren 1.088s 25 laps
12 Esteban Ocon Force India 1.154s 23 laps
13 Sergio Perez Force India 1.239s 22 laps
14 Nico Hulkenberg Renault 1.326s 26 laps
15 Fernando Alonso McLaren 1.493s 25 laps
16 Lance Stroll Williams 1.809s 26 laps
17 Charles Leclerc Sauber 1.858s 25 laps
18 Romain Grosjean Haas 2.095s 21 laps
19 Kevin Magnussen Haas 2.406s 20 laps
20 Marcus Ericsson Sauber 2.435s 28 laps

The Red Bulls only a thou apart, but Max, again, had a crash. He may not even qualify.




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Old 05-27-2018, 08:40 AM
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DR continues to dominate the weekend.

Max will start last.

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Old 05-29-2018, 06:59 AM
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So DR got what he deserved.

But lapping nice seconds off the pace to do so shows F1 tires are too a big a factor in some races.

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