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Old 06-11-2012, 03:48 PM
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Yeah, you read right, and I'm ducking behind my monitor as I type this...

But yes, I'm contemplating requiring spec tires for 2013...

It has been proven many times over that many times a car is dominant because it has a "good set" of tires on it. So with that in mind, I'm thinking of requiring all entries to use urethane in an effort to "tighten up" the competition. I'm leaning with these because they are fairly easy for guys to get, easy to true up, and they grip fairly good on most tracks.

By requiring urethane, I'm also hoping to be able to get new tracks into the series that normally ban silicone tires .

So the question is, which brand of urethane tire? My thinking is one brand will most likely always have an advantage over another brand (whether it be Paul Gage, Ortmanns, Yellow Dog or any other brand). My thinking is to have all cars on equal footing as far as tires go. I even contemplating each class run a specific brand.

But before I get too far in this line of thinking, does this appeal to any of you? Or will this make you not want to enter?
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Old 06-11-2012, 03:56 PM
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I like the idea of a spec. tire. Though, I wouldn't chose eurathane, too much variation from my experience. I think the new Supertire 1408R and 2112R would make the perfect slipon spec. tires.
Unfortunately, except for A/B production, few of the cars can fit 17x10's or wider.

Are there any plans to produce rounded shoulder 1403's? The new rounded shoulder supertires come from new molds and are nearly true out of the package. IMHO, silicones are the most consistant from lot to lot and are tamper proof unlike rubber.
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Old 06-11-2012, 04:04 PM
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Moby the 1403R tires are already available, along with 1402 and 1404.

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Old 06-11-2012, 04:11 PM
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I am watching this with a great deal of interest. If the tires stray from a select few, I will be watching this proxy from the outside...

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Old 06-11-2012, 04:16 PM
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The new rounded shoulder supertires come from new molds and are nearly true out of the package.
They also have more gription.
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Old 06-11-2012, 04:20 PM
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How about nsr rubber along with the urethane option? We've been running a series with them. I'm really pleased with how they perform.
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Old 06-11-2012, 05:16 PM
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I would like to see yellow dogs or NSR, not both
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:57 PM
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Am OK with spec tire of whatever make, as long as there is one available to fit a scale 13" rim (~12mm visible rim) for U class cars. No problem cutting a wider tire down to spec width, it's the hole size and rib (if any) fit I,m worried about. Oh, an' ya gotta tell us what wheels the spec tire fits on.


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Old 06-11-2012, 08:56 PM
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Spec tires.........sounds Ok to me. YellowDogs NSR rubber

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Old 06-11-2012, 10:38 PM
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I wouldnt mind a control tire as long as gear ratio is free.I vote for NSR.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:32 AM
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Cool ..yeah?..

Suits me; ..last year's wheel/tyre rules drove me nuts.

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Old 06-12-2012, 10:07 AM
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After a perusal of the web, I see a couple of factors that may be negative indicators for NSR tires (comments to the contrary welcome):

1. I don't see any NSR tires for scale 13" wheels other than the very wide F1 tire, which I doubt could be easily made to fit a 7 or 8 mm wide rim.

2. Ran across several discussions on "treatment" of rubber NSR tires with various compounds to improve their grip, which makes me somewhat uncomfortable with having this as a spec tire. There were numerous claims that it is undetectable (if small amounts of compound are used) and that while the performance eventually drops off to that of untreated tires, it is initially quite significant. If both are true, then any rule forbidding chemical treatment of tires would be unenforceable and there is an incentive to use it. It's a temptation I'd rather not be placed in front of entrants (I coached an Olympic sport professionally for 15 years - ask me why I'm a tad cynical about chemical enhancements in competition ).

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Old 06-12-2012, 10:14 AM
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Go for it, it would help rookies such as myself out considerably!
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:41 AM
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After a perusal of the web, I see a couple of factors that may be negative indicators for NSR tires (comments to the contrary welcome):

1. I don't see any NSR tires for scale 13" wheels other than the very wide F1 tire, which I doubt could be easily made to fit a 7 or 8 mm wide rim.

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NSR make a 15X8 tire. For the smaller wheels let me recommend Slotit P6s.

The only chemical enhancements we use is to clean them with lighter fluid prior to each heat race series. We use sticky tape to clean the tires between each race in the heat.

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Old 06-12-2012, 11:12 AM
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i don't think urethane can be doctored with chemicals (although i could be wrong).

the davols cup uses a spec urethane tire and it seems to work well for them.

my experience with rubber tires, whether they be nsr, slot it or any other brand, is that their grip improves tremendously when oiled.
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