These questions can really only be answered by the track owner. While an individual looks at what the owner needs to do to keep that guy's business, the owner looks at what he needs to do to keep everybody's business. And since he pays for the space and the electric bill, he decides what is and isn't important for his business. That doesn't mean he's automatically making the best decisions, but he's making the decisions he feels he needs to make to keep his doors open.
While normally, adding another line of products is typically a good thing for the bottom line, it could be a bad thing if the perceived costs go up high enough that 2 or 3 regulars walk out the door. It's impossible for us to say what his reasoning is, so you really just need to talk to him.
Yeah, Marty, the 'Like' button is off! It wouldn't flash neon green, so I just shut her down.
Last edited by ElSecundo; 07-02-2012 at 11:11 AM.
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ModelTrainGuy-
You are banning NSR from yourself because they are too expensive but you have 13? Your logic stinks or you have buyer's remorse. If you have 13 NSR's & you haven't realized that they are "better out of the box" than you may be doing something wrong. Yes, you can do w/ Slot.it & get NSR performance for a little less, but then you expose the difference is country of manufacture: NSR is made in Italy w/ higher material & labor costs; Slot.it produces in China where things cost less.[/quote]
Martini ? It was not "logic", that compelled me to buy the NSR cars in the first place. More like "SlotCarMadness" , an ardour that has cooled somewhat. As for their "superiority", well, I race in a environment, where that simply does not matter. My money. My track. My utility of funds ...How could I be wrong ???
As for place of manufacture ?, I have seen discussions on this forum, that would cast doubt on the "made in Italy" claim (maybe assembled ?) ... but again I could care less. If they made them in Germany, could they sell them for more ???
As for selling them for cheap? Giving them away ... No . I sooner smash them with hammers. But I won't be doin' that either. Just not going to spend that much on 1/32. I have self exiled myself from the 100+ 1/32 slot car segment....
BTW, I got the "Jake" ? Vette (one of their better models)... for $80 brand new in the box ...
I have tried to slow us down to no avail, as the track owner has voted against slowing us down and he is a slower car.
To me,that just sounds odd. Regardless of the rules, one should always try their best. Perhaps it would be prudent to do a bit of self handicapping. This could be done by changing gearing, tires or the motor. Find out what the 'slower' guys are running in terms of time and then modify the car to where it will barely reach that level. In that way, you can use your skills instead of what is perceived to be a mechanical advantage.
It is quite a conundrum and it will be equally interesting to hear how it is solved.
o.k. , don`t sell it to me . where did you get that price . `member i did`nt offer less than you payed sir . so , you would not be givin` it away . if`n not a site sponsor p.m. or e me so the thread police won`t jump us .
My club has found that it helps a lot if people share their speed tips. If I am having a problem with a car I have another driver give it a spin just to be sure that my driving is not the problem and to look the car over to be sure that I have not missed something.
My club has found that it helps a lot if people share their speed tips. If I am having a problem with a car I have another driver give it a spin just to be sure that my driving is not the problem and to look the car over to be sure that I have not missed something.
Rich, I give my car to one of the local fast guys, and they immediately chop about half a second off my lap times, and then say, "it turns better left than right, it has a deccel chatter, and needs about half a gram of weight in the front right"....and then hand the car back to me. I am clueless.
I ain't complaining, Mark and George have tuned some rockets for me, but I am no where near their level of tuning/driving skill, and never will be.
Its like the guy in the Saturday night bull ring 4 cylinder Hornet class asking Michael Schumaker for tips.
TOJ
Last edited by The Old Jaybird; 07-15-2012 at 01:44 PM.
oooh big dig on amc , there toj . LOL ! really ! my team-mate years ago tuned and i painted . we won everything . still can`t figure out what he did tunin` wise that i couldn`t .
Sounds like the track owner has just decided you can't run anything he doesn't sell. As far as the expense of an NSR....if you have 2 Slot-its,you can afford an NSR (and who doesn't own at least 2 Slot-its?)So saying NSR's are too expensive and will drive people away from the hobby doesn't make sense. Even with $100.00 cars and $200.00 controllers this is still a very cheap hobby. Not many hobbies out there that you can have the best of everything available to race and win for less than a few hundred bucks.(even Model Train Guy has 13 NSRs) Nothing against Slot-it,but I'll take 1 NSR over 2 Slot-its any day based on the way they run.
Fortunately, it's their series -- not ours. They don't seem to like paying the extra 50 bucks for a performance gain.
So is the owners issue that the cars are too expensive,or too good? Cause It's hard to believe they put a limit on what you can spend in an open class. No one else has $100.00 in their car?I know your group isn't into racing Kurt,and that you guys just fool around on your group nights,but you have to admit-this doesn't sound like much of a open class.Sounds like the owner is afraid more guys will want what he doesn't have.
hi , if the nsr`s pose a problem , i`am sure you could post them at bst and several of us would beat a large path to your add and gladly take the expensive cars off your hands . by the by , got the "take no prisioners" vette ? i`ll give you $80 for it shipped .
jer
just figured , my purchase would help you buy three of the new slot.it 956 . think you said you are in for three !
Sorry for the off topic rant. But price is a factor to me ... now
As for the track owner-guy ... I would be bothered by his "banning" anything. Save for instances, where racers agree to a "formula" and race cars that meet the formula requirements. For "free play events" , or just general running around... You should be able to run what you brung !
If I could not, I think I'd be lookin for another track.
Jer ... You know, I copped a killa-dilla deal on the NSR Vette, last summer. It was on a super special, once in a blue moon sale ... That you have to hang out on a partucular Forum ... to know about. I think there was a "anniversary "? But it was 40 % off or so ... So I bit !
As for the 3 Gulf 956's ? (plus a 787 Mazda ?) the Pusherman is boxing those for me already...
Then there is my venture into 1/24 ... GAWD I NEED HELP. SLOT CAR CRAZYNESS !!!
I gotta "ban" NSR....before the Banks ban me !!!
Last edited by ModelTrainGuy; 07-02-2012 at 09:43 PM.
i really don't think NSR has an advantage over slot it. they're great cars, but what do you get for the additional $50? set screw front wheels and the body and pod screws pre-loosened? i have a bone stock slot it gt40 that i'd feel comfortable racing against any NSR classic. i even have a modified fly porsche 906 with a stock chassis and stock plastic front wheels that i'd put up against any nsr classic.
i don't know if i'd take one nsr over two slot its. but i'd definitely take one nsr over three cars that are marketed as toys (carrera, scaley, etc).
a couple of years ago the NSR Mosler was banned from a lot of clubs and national races because of the advantage of the disproportional body shell. This "flat pancake" design was the reason many people found them not to be in the same class as cars from other brands, f.e. compare it with the Ninco Mosler. It was unequal competition.
A lot has changed since then and NSR is producing cars that are much more to scale, like the Porsche, Corvette and Audi GT cars. Although these cars are still fast they don't have the advantage that the Mosler had.
The NSR Audi R18 is not as fast as it looks, in our club we run an open LMP class and the car to beat is a Sloting Plus Reynard. This due to the fact that the SP is an anglewinder with a full long can motor. Until now the SlotIt Lola has not taken over but that could change once the 25K flat six motor will be out in the shops. The guys who bought the NSR R18 have all "dumped' the car, so much for an over $100 investment.
@ModelTrainGuy: I don't completely understand your venture in 1:24 scale. You don't want to buy $100+ 1:32 cars anymore but your are willing to run 1:24? I guess you are looking at Carrera D124/Excusiv since a well build "nuts and bolds" car with a carbon fiber body (OEPS, IMCA) will easily hit the $1000 target
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