You all have been giving out some excellent feedback in the other threads, and I thank you for the input. So based on that, below you will find my "proposed guidelines" for the upcoming year. I'll keep it "proposed" until August 1st, and then after listening to any feedback here and making any changes based on that feedback, I'll make it final then and we can get to building cars.
The first big change you'll note is there will be no A/B Production class. I spent a good deal of time thinking on this. While the class was the closest in terms of who would win wasn't decided until near the end, it was also the class which drew the most attention. It was my intent last year that the A/B Prod class would be a "support" class, but that's not the way I felt it turned out. As this series is based on the Pony Cars Wars book (or Trans-Am era of 68-72), the U and the O class should be the featured classes. I know some here will be bummed about this, but hey, you can always enter those cars in the Can-Am proxy race.
The 2nd big change will be no silicones this year. Copying a page from the Can-Am series, we'll be alternating years between silicones and rubber/urethanes. This has been successful for the Can-Am, and I'm hoping it will be here as well. One major reason for doing this is to allow other tracks that are not "silicone-friendly" to have an opportunity the host a round of the Pony Cars.
On that note, while I can't spec a certain brand tire for the U class because of the different size wheel people may use, I can specify that they be either rubber or urethane. In the O class, I have spec'ed that those cars must run Yellow Dogs. You do have a few choices on which size though.
Other changes are are noted in bold print so that one can see plainly what has changed. Some changes are simply re-wording (and hopefully more simplified), while others are actual changes (like gearing and weight in both classes).
Hold off signing up just yet. I'll wait til the guidelines are final before starting a sign up thread.
General-applies to all classes...
May only enter one car per class (maximum of 2).
Cost of entry is $20 per car.
Body must be manufactured as 1/32 scale, and may be injection molded or resin cast.
No vacuumed formed or blow molded bodies allowed. No shaving of body posts allowed (ie- "slammed")
Bodies must be removable from chassis to allow inspection and photography prior to the first race.
Both “fantasy liveries” and accurate reproductions of real cars are allowed.
Racing numbers are required, and will be limited to 1 or 2 digits. There will be no duplicate #'s given out.
Numbers are required to be visible on both sides, and on top (hood, trunk, and/or roof)
Helmeted 3D driver figure is required, with representation of at least head, shoulders, and arms.
Driver shall be positioned somewhere near proper seating area and able to "see" out the windshield.
Must run an interior, with representation of at least dashboard top and rear shelf, as appropriate to actual car. Lightweight materials may be used for interior.
Interior must be so that one cannot see drivetrain (motor, gears, axle, driveshaft-etc) when looking in through windows
Must have full windshield and full rear window. Must also have any rear passenger windows in place.
Windows may be vacuum formed.
Only the windows in the doors, both sides, may be removed
Chassis may be cut or lengthened to fit aftermarket body. Must use plastic for reinforcement.
Chassis may be shaved along it's edges to allow body float
Chassis may be reworked to fit desired motor (ie-standard can in chassis designed for slim can motor, and vice versa)
Motor must remain in stock location of chassis, and in same configuration. No racing version chassis allowed (ie-pod chassis)
Name and body screw adjustment information on chassis underside is encouraged.
Any weight added shall be of lead type material.
No metal (aluminum, brass, steel-etc) may be used for weight purposes.
Weight may be placed above or below chassis
Underside of car chassis, added weight and body must clear track road surface (not rails), on level track, by 1mm (0.040”) minimum.
Gears and front spoilers may be lower, but cars may be excluded from racing if gear or spoiler contact the track or rails (track owner's discretion).
May use stock or any readily available guide designed for 1/32 cars.
Guide must be entirely under body, and not visible when viewed from above.
Recommendation---Guide flag shall be no deeper than .225 below the bottom of front tires.
Motors must be stock, as manufactured, but may be run-in prior to this race series.
May use adaptors to mount motor, or simply glue motor in.
May swap one brand motor to a different brand car.
Must keep drive configuration of chassis being used (ie-sidewinder to stay as sidewinder-inline stays inline).
No modifications to motor are permitted other than removal of capacitors, or resistors external to the motor.
No capacitors or other electrical devices may be fitted to motor circuit.
No traction magnets are permitted.
May run stock or aftermarket gears.
Rear wheel drive only.
May use aftermarket axles and bushings. No ball or roller bearings.
U class
Open to cars that ran in the U class during the 1966 to 1972 era (ex.-Alfa Romeo, Porsche 911, Datsun, Mini-etc) If running a car that came with a chassis, must run stock plastic chassis and keep motor in stock location. If running aftermarket body, must run a stock plastic chassis of a car that is eligible in the U class.
May use spacers or other means to set front axle height. Axle height cannot be adjustable once set. Motor choices are... FF-050 (slim can)-MT Racing (MT-SL1) FC130 (standard can)-MT Racing (MT-1), Ninco NC1, NC8
May run stock wheels
May run aftermarket up to 15mm by 8mm or smaller wheels. They shall be appropriately sized for the car. May run any tire on rear, so long as it's rubber or urethane. May run any tire on front, so long as it's rubber or urethane. Zero grips are ok.
No coating of front tires (ie-with nail polish, superglue, polyurethane-etc.)
No tire shall be wider wider than 9mm No tire shall be more than .780 in height Gearing is open (any gear ratio allowed)
Tires may be glued to the wheels (highly recommended!!!)
Tires may be trimmed (narrowed) to meet width requirements for class.
Max track width-outside to outside of tires-shall be 2.10" (stock Alfa Romeo) Exposed portion of fenders may not be modified to gain track width. Inside of fenders may be ground to allow wider track, but shall not be visible from outside.
Minimum weight-85 grams (3.00 oz)
O class
Open to cars that ran in the O class during the 1966 to 1972 era (ex-Mustang, Camaro, Cuda, Challenger, Firebird-etc). If running a car that came with a chassis, must run stock plastic chassis and keep motor in stock location. If running aftermarket body, must run a stock plastic chassis of a car that is eligible in the O class.
May use spacers or other means to set front axle height. Axle height cannot be adjustable once set.
Motor choices are standard Scalextric/Fly S can, Pioneer Typhoon 18k's, Carrera E200, SCX RX42B or H&R Hawk.
May run gear ratio as low as 3 to 1.
May run stock wheels. If using stock wheels, must run Yellow Dog tires made specifically for that wheel on rear. If using aftermarket wheels, may only use 15mm by 8mm sized wheels (front and/or rear). If using aftermarket wheels, may only use 1402, 1403 or 1404 Yellow Dog Supertires on rear. (At this time, the R series are not available in YD's, but should be very soon...) May run any tire on front, so long as it's rubber or urethane. Zero grips are ok.
No coating of front tires (ie-with nail polish, superglue, polyurethane-etc.)
Tires may be glued to the wheels (highly recommended!!!)
Tires may be trimmed (narrowed) to meet width requirements for class.
Max track width-outside to outside of tires-shall be 2.25" unless using unmodified stock axle and wheels (my stock 70 Camaro measured 2.257" and stock SCX Cuda measured 2.285) Exposed portion of fenders may not be modified to gain track width. Inside of fenders may be ground to allow wider track, but shall not be visible from outside.
Minimum weight-95 grams (3.35 oz)
Dickie: you are making it very difficult for any overseas entrants with the limitations on motors for the U class, why not allow the motors that were used this year again. Limiting the motors to the M/T motor may be good foy you guys but we have to add postage just to get one motor for this event. The same applies to the tyres for the O class. Why not allow branded rubber tyres?
you are making it very difficult for any overseas entrants with the limitations on motors for the U class, why not allow the motors that were used this year again.
Good points Phil...
My concern has been the variance of all these supposely slower motors. It's a pretty well known fact that the BWA and the Dr Vanski slim line motors have an advantage over the Ninco NC1 powerplants. Now I realize NC1's can no longer be bought, but like many of these proxy series, these slower classes have been based upon finding similar performing motors. Our local clubs here in the NE have been running these MT motors, and we're finding that BOTH the S can or Slimline versions of these motors are very, very close to the NC1. And because they're available in both S can AND slimline versions, I feel these will keep the competition much closer.
FWIW-I do have these motors in stock here. If you would like me to put one in your box when I return the Volvo, I can do that. You can pay for it when you when you pay your entry fee. If it's does become decided that we can run other motors and you decide to go that route, then you can ship it back to me when you mail in your entry (provided you haven't run it of course )
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The same applies to the tyres for the O class. Why not allow branded rubber tyres?
As I spoke about in one of the other threads (and some were ok with it), I felt by going with one brand for a tire would make for closer racing. Having said that, I'm not "firm" on that decision. If enough of you speak against this line of thought, I'd certainly would give it more consideration.
Remember, so far these are only "proposed". Changes can still be made...
Last edited by nhdungeonracer; 07-12-2012 at 04:38 PM.
Reason: misphrased a sentence...
I really like the rules as they stand. No more run away cars because of someone has a faster motor or better tires. Most anyone can true the Yellow Dogs, even on the stock wheels.
With only two classes every one can enter a car in both classes for only $40
It may help if you posted the rpm's if each motor at 10 volts
Team Starfish/Bruce Jennings 65 Barracuda ran in 1966.
I wouldn't rely on that photo to give you an accurate height. It was shot halfway down the Corkscrew @ Laguna Seca. The car is under serious compression. Here's a shot from PIR last year that shows the car in a more normal stance...
Dickie: you are making it very difficult for any overseas entrants with the limitations on motors for the U class, why not allow the motors that were used this year again. Limiting the motors to the M/T motor may be good foy you guys but we have to add postage just to get one motor for this event. The same applies to the tyres for the O class. Why not allow branded rubber tyres?
Can we use B-nova guide adapters? It makes it a lot easier to use standard guides on Scalextric, Pioneer, SCX and Carrera cars.
Does the "no-pod" rule totally exclude the Spirit BMW 2002, or could it be entered with the pod secured (screwed/glued)? Or could it be treated like a resin/plastic body and use a chassis from one of the other U2 cars?
IMO the "02" is too important in U2 to be excluded and the Spirit body is very nice.
Proposed Guidelines for 1012/2013...
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