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Old 08-18-2012, 09:09 PM
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Default Grp. 5 help?

With the introduction of the Silverline Capri and Lancia, I've decided to acquire a few nice cars in this category. I found a Racing Capri kit on the 'net and a nice MRRC toyota celica to run against the Silverline. What other good non mag cars are out there to run in this category?

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Old 08-18-2012, 09:23 PM
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There are a few out there to choose from

Fly Racing Capri
Fly Racing BMW M1
Fly Lancia Beta
Revell BMW 320
Fly Porsche 935 K3
Carrera 935 (I think)
+ more I can't think of

Carrera also do a handful of IMSA cars which would fit in with the Group 5 styling. There is also a BMW M1 to be produced by Scaleauto in the future. I can speak from experience that the Fly Capri and M1 have alot of potential.
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Old 08-19-2012, 04:25 AM
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Carrera Dekon Monza
Carrera De Tomaso Pantera
Carrera Opel Commodore
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Old 08-19-2012, 04:43 AM
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Default Here's one (or a few) I prepared earlier

I got the twitches for these too, so here's some recent builds, as I failed to even wait "IM"-patiently for the Racer releases to start rumbling our way, I decided to add to the trifecta of Racing Capris I own.


I started with the Revell BMW 320i, which is still front motored, and with original mechanics, but sitting on Slot.it F22 F1 size tyres which are 13mm wide, heavily ground down to a suitable O.D. Everything is glued and trued, and the motor has been swapped for a Slot.it yellow bell, and geared down somewhat.
Build thread here http://slotcarillustrated.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?t=61646

Having since done two more cars, I think I'll revisit this one and lower it another 1mm It looks too high against everything else.

Then I moved to a Fly Porsche 935, which proved a challenge. The motor in those sits BEHIND the rear axle, so I had to do away with that, the wheels were at about a 45 degree angle to the axle - well, not quite, but very bad.
Build thread here - it was really quite simple

sheesh, thank goodness Wet Coast Racer introduced me to JB Weld.
http://slotcarillustrated.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?t=61805 In the end, I glued in a Slot.it inline pod, with a 1/8th brass rod either side of it, running from the front to rear axles, to stiffen the stupidly flexible chassis. and used a Ninco NC-5 motor which is about the same grunt as the Fly FK180 motors in the Fly Racing Capri. It is sitting on Slot.it 17 x 10 magnesium wheels, the tyres are Slot.it N22 from memory. I don't have a suitable wheel insert yet, so any ideas very welcome.

Lastly I tackled the Fly BMW 635 CSL, which is also front motored. I have again swapped the motor for a Slot.it yellow bell. Like the 320, I managed to keep the whole drive train. When I get some brass tube to shim them, the stub front axles need their pins collared to remove the slop. The rest of the bushes got the superglue collar trick, and I fitted NSR 21 x 14mm Vanquish MG tyres to the original ubs, which were "fairly" straight - given that it is a FLY. They were a decent fit but needed about 1mm off the O.D., and the outside edges well rounded. Then they fitted well under the body.

I sectioned the interior glass, forced the roll cage to slew back about 3mm so it sits in the top of the roof where the clear "glass" was removed. I also dremeled the underside of the cockpit fairly brutally, and heated the front tab and melted it so it sat flatter against the underside of the bonnet. This allowed me to move the front of it upwards 1.5mm into the body, which then allowed me to shorten the body posts 1mm to lower the bodyand still clear the chassis with the cockpit.

The most radical change was slicing the sides of the chassis, and gluing them to the underside of the body, as the centre part of the chassis was "clam-shell" style which is not ideal for wood running. I first attached them by melting the attaching tabs with the soldering iron, then laid a layer of JB weld against the insides, and a layer of thin wire mesh against it and forced it hard, so JB weld spewed through the mesh, then smoothed it all off. They'll never split in a shunt now.

The chassis can now float free of the body. Once the drive train had had the slop taken out of the driveshaft bush and axles bushes, the "grating" of badly meshing Fly gears pretty much disappeared.
It is running pretty smooth, but getting the fronts more stable will help eventual cornering speeds.
They've been trued down, the exhaust pipes moved so they clear the body - by a fraction, and the track, but not much either. Overall ride height is at least 1mm lower than stock. It looks the absolute business running at low elevation angle.

GR. 5 are some of the most brutal "bad attitude" race cars you'll ever see on a track.
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Old 08-19-2012, 06:51 AM
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Carrera Ferrari 512 BB
Carrera Porsche 935/78 "Moby Dick"
Le Mans Miniatures Porsche 935/76

A couple more that might not have raced in Grp.5 but have the same silhouette look:
Carrera Ford Carpi RS3100
Revell Greenwod Corvette

The Carrera 512BB and the Porsche 935/78 have recently been re-released with the new chassis.
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Old 08-19-2012, 04:38 PM
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Default Grp. 5

That's a great selection of cars. I don't think I'd care to put that much effort into a front motored Fly. With the Racer Lancia and Capri so close, I'd rather put some minor effort into something a little more competitive out of the box.

I did buy a Carrera 512 because I had one before and the platform was pretty easy to work on and the car handled very well. I'm not sure it will be fast enough to run with the MRRC, Fly Racing Capri or the Racer Capri I ordered. I'll certainly buy the Racer Lancia when it's ready.

I'm also think of buying a Fly 935 or if I can find one, I racing BMW M1. For those that have tried them, how well does the 935 or standard M1 run in non mag form?
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Old 08-19-2012, 08:17 PM
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The standard Fly M1 is sidewinder, black stripe (20k?) motor, plastic bushings and spur, and press on wheels. Still, it has alot of potential. The stock running gear can be a bit hit or miss as you may be aware, so for mine I have replaced most components with the slot.it equivalent. Be wary that the chassis has alot of underside detailing which makes it difficult to straighten if its warped i.e the slot.it oven method may not work.

The racing Fly M1 is podded (boxer), inline, brass bushings and has grub screws for the front axle height. My one came with hybrid aluminium/plastic front and rear wheels. The chassis is quite flimsy and the pod seems overly complicated but if you're willing to spend some time tuning it is a great car.

I can't vouch for eithers OOTB performance as our club allows modifications to this class.
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Old 08-19-2012, 09:07 PM
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Default Ahh Quickcars

yeah, I know . . . . but I was having my annual masochism outbreak, and it happened to coincide with some spare time and the Group 5 obsession . . . . dangerous combination, slot cars and spare time..... almost an oxymoron really . . .

But sometimes I do get perverse satisfaction from using my limited hand skills to make something a lot better than OOTB.

I could have just ripped the Revell body off the 320 and mated it with an HRS chassis and lexan interior, but that would have been far to easy . . . . . .

Has anyone tried fitting a Slot.it pod to a Carrera group 5 car chassis? = in usual 4 or 6 point mount and floating? That would be one quick way to get decent running gear under the body....

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Old 08-19-2012, 09:40 PM
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Has anyone tried fitting a Slot.it pod to a Carrera group 5 car chassis? = in usual 4 or 6 point mount and floating? That would be one quick way to get decent running gear under the body....
I was looking over the Dekon Monza this evening with that in mind. That is far as it has gone in the Carrera Group 5 category. However I have done a couple of front motored Fly Capri's. One with a slot.it offset pod for a C can motor, the other with a Slotting Plus (I think) pod for FK180 motor. I like those cars as much as the new Racer Capri I have.






Any flat pan chassis such as the Fly Capri is pretty easy to put a pod into.
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Old 08-19-2012, 10:33 PM
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Any chance of a larger view of the above pic? I like what you've done with the Fly Capris
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Old 08-20-2012, 05:12 AM
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Seeing how we are talking Group 5's, any clue to which Super Tire fits the Revell BMW 320?

Thanks
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Old 08-20-2012, 08:30 AM
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Any chance of a larger view of the above pic? I like what you've done with the Fly Capris
NVMRE,
I don't want to step on Quickcars thread any more than I already have so I sent you a couple of pics in a PM.

Paul,
Unfortunately most of the current cars in this category are in the basement in terms of performance when compared to the Racer. The MRRC Celica is probably the closest of the lot but the red can motor it is equipped with is pure garbage. It's simply a fire cracker waiting to go off once the trigger is pulled. Forget any kind of control. Swap it out for nice orange bell Slot.it or some other good 20- 21k(ish) C can motor and I think you will have a decent car. I don't have one but I suspect the Fly Lancia which should be a sidewinder Has potential. With the right parts has a shot at holding up the rear of the pack too.

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Old 08-20-2012, 09:30 AM
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That's a great selection of cars. I don't think I'd care to put that much effort into a front motored Fly. With the Racer Lancia and Capri so close, I'd rather put some minor effort into something a little more competitive out of the box.

I did buy a Carrera 512 because I had one before and the platform was pretty easy to work on and the car handled very well. I'm not sure it will be fast enough to run with the MRRC, Fly Racing Capri or the Racer Capri I ordered. I'll certainly buy the Racer Lancia when it's ready.

I'm also think of buying a Fly 935 or if I can find one, I racing BMW M1. For those that have tried them, how well does the 935 or standard M1 run in non mag form?
Hey Paul. We've been running multi-mfg. Group 5 for a few years in our clubs. Starting a new series on Septemer 14, running for a couple of months on Friday nights. With the Fly Capri, some have purchased a replacement Fly "Racing" chassis with long-can motor mount, and it became one of the dominant cars in the class. The Fly and Racer Porsche 935's have done well, and on some of our tracks, the Carrera Ferrari 512BB and Fly Lancia Beta have had some victories. Most seem to add a good amount of weight to the front of their Fly 935 to counteract the extreme rear motor placement.

We just ran a pre-season Group 5 race a couple of weeks ago, with the Sideways Capri winning, but not dominating. Sideways had to use it's stock 20.5k Flat-6, other cars had a 22.4k RPM limit.

C'mon Paul, cross that little ditch that surronds your state and race with us in September Check your PM for more info.

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Old 08-20-2012, 09:34 AM
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I'm building up a couple Lotus Europa Group 5 cars using a resin kit from di-tech in Germany, mounting on the slot.it HRS chassis.

Here's the link to the kit.

http://www.ditech-produktion.com/32_...urbo__Gr.5.jpg
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Old 08-20-2012, 10:07 AM
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Default Grp. 5

Great responses and I really appreciate all the feedback! I'm going to put some work into tuning the MRRC Toyota, Carrera 512 and Fly Racing Capri this coming weekend. I can't wait for the Racer Capri to arrive!

Hey Rob,

I look forward to joining you guys for at least couple of races this coming season. Should be fun!

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