Thanks for the info.. And i am very happy to hear that you will make refunds for those that will want them.
I am not upset with you as the importer/distributor of the cars.. You didn't make them or send them out knowing something was wrong..My beef is with the makers of a product. If there was a problem it should have been addressed before it was sent to you or other distributors. At the very least info should have been in the instructions on how to handle it..
This is not something we like to see from a new manufacture.
Bending the body to MAKE it fit might work as they say to get the body on the chassis. But then you loose any float you will want in the car as the body is now binding the screws so you can't get any.. And for me and many others this is what we want to make the car work the way we like them to.
I to have been waiting for this Saleen to come out, and like Biggy i have found a way to make the body fit without binding the body and chassis up.. But when you spend almost 80.00 for a car you don't want to see problems like this or have to take hours to fix the problem and put the cat together..
For old timers (doing this for 50 years) it is a pain in the butt but something we have leaned to work around..But for new people entering the slot car hobby that don't have knowledge we have this can be a major turn off not only for the manufacture of the car but the hobby as a whole...
As for the stripped screw that can happen and is not a big deal as the wheel has a second hole to work with..
It is just a big disappointment for me. At that price you expect everything to be right.. If this is all the result of some "weight war" then I say loose the war. A gram or two of weight is not worth the problems it can cause.
I have corrected the problem and gotten the float I am looking for and yes the car is quick and handles well. But I will have to think twice before I will buy any future cars from Arrow..
Just worked on my Arrow for about an hour and if the glue joint holds I will have a car with front and rear wheels centered and all the body float I could want.
I could do another car in about 15min. Real easy( If the glue holds)!
If you race at Ace and need some help with your Arrow, see me. I work cheap
Well, after reading this I will not be buying one of these, I really wanted one, & I wanted a Ford Supercar to go up against those Bowtie Moslers.
The answers relayed by Alan are unacceptable, lines like, "oh, this happens on some" & "you have to gently bend" are not ok. They are the excuses (not reasons) given by someone who knows they have a problem they can't fix. Tooling is expensive & if it's wrong, it's wrong; for a start-up company that can close the books. It would be nice to see them make another model properly & perhaps come back to the Saleen when they can afford it.
Besides that, $80 & you have to put together an unliveried kit & you don't get decals or wheel inserts? Scaleauto is making some absolutely delicious wheels & these guys give you cheesy dishes; just more money I'd have to shell out for the bling.
I too was sitting on the fence about whether to shell out that much cash on an undecorated slot car that won't fit into any established categories. If it came in a livery like those done on the Fly Saleen I might have bought it anyway. Now I just don't know.
I am with you there Modlerbob! As a birthday gift I can have the Sideways Lancia Beta AND another car. So I thought about the Arrowslot Saleen or the Slot.it Ferrari F40 (with an anglewinder pod and a Flat Six R motor), but after reading this, the Ferrari wins hands down!
Both sides are valid, completely. It's a hobby, and what's acceptable to one guy isn't going to be acceptable to another guy. Some folks really enjoy the part of the hobby where they get to make something work, even if it's not quite right out of the box. Lord knows, we've all fixed cars with worse problems than this.
On the other hand, folks are paying a lot for a car that's expected to be a race car. There are excellent race cars available (and fully painted) that are great platforms straight out of the box. Why should they spend their money on this?
Well, it's a hobby. Try it if you're interested, resell it if you don't like it. It's a first effort from a new company -- do you expect perfection?
no, Kurt, not perfection, just normal functionality. We're not talking boutique resin cars here, we're talking about what was heralded as a racer's product from the word "go", which is not what was delivered. The product doesn't perform to it's heralded level, yes, once modified, it may, but that's not what we were expecting, is it?
I went through similar nonsense when Avant Slot came out & their chassis' brittleness; oh, the excuses I got from US distributor! When I contacted AS I was given a different story. I eventually fixed the car myself, but they knew they messed up & made corrections, didn't they? Let's not bring up the Sloter Opel Manta; another example of a product made wrong but sold anyway.
Well, like I said, people will see it from two different sides every time. I lean more your direction, in this case. I mean, when a company is explicitly building a race car, they're saying "this is going to work, and work well". They've set a certain expectation that they didn't meet, and when somebody shells out 80 bucks based on that expectation, they're not going to feel good about their purchase. So I really do agree with your side. This is like a 1:1 race team buying a car from Porsche, and then realizing that their car arrived with a bent frame. Yeah, they could fix the frame, but they bought a car to tune for the track, not to spend time fixing Porsche's production issues.
But not everyone will see it that way. They'll buy it, they'll fix it as well as it can be fixed, and they'll enjoy it. It's something different that they didn't have in their collection before, with all its flaws.
I have read this thread with interest and some trepidation as I have one in the post so to speak. It arrived and I have been slowly building it. I have not driven it yet. Assembly has not been a problem. I was expecting gloom doom and disaster. Not even a concern. The body on my car fits fine to the chassis and offers good "rock" vibes too. I hope to run it on friday and will add comments then.
Aahh, that means I might get to see one in the flesh tomorrow at Luf's? Would be good to see you Daniel.
And BTW: it looks like the kind of car that would be great on the Oval rather than the Targa.
Yes it will be far too fast and not too mention it will stand out like a dog with two wots its being close to forty years too young to join the party. The body painted, rather well if I say so my self is 12 grams and the chassis 60.5gms. Looks like a large car and I am being unfair as the Jaguar XKR is larger again. Contrary to the above comments I think Arrow have done a good first model. Friday will be interesting. Ray Mallock created a great car for Saleen and I look forward to testing the Arrow on friday night.
My Arrow's body posts aligned and the body had great float out of the package.
I think this is more of a packaging and transporting issue than a mold issue.
NSR sells kit cars like the Arrow Saleen - unpainted colored plastic. They are slightly more expensive than the Arrow Saleen. This car is a Scaleauto GT-ONE with a lighter Saleen S7 body, faster motor, and a good set of running gear (including wheels).
It functions like a fast slotcar should.
I do think the price is high - similar to the Ninco lightning cars. While the Ninco lightning cars had nicely painted bodies, their chassis and running gear left a lot to be desired while the Arrow Saleen had a great chassis and running gear with a mediocre body.
I think this is more of a packaging and transporting issue than a mold issue.
That's very possible.
And if that's the case, and the car is somehow being misshapen in transit, the implication is that (hopefully) something can be done by the buyer to re-shape the body or chassis to make everything fit better. That's a whole lot better than trying to re-shape something that was molded incorrectly.