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Old 09-18-2012, 03:21 PM
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Default Tyco funny cars.

I just scored these Tyco funny cars from a Craigslist posting all the track, accessories in the original box, so happy right now.
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Old 09-18-2012, 03:43 PM
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Nice find!!! Tyco made great stuff "back in the day". I have a TycoPro 512M Ferraris from 1970. Still fun and still runs. Some toys I managed not to destroy as a kid. LOL!!
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Old 09-18-2012, 03:51 PM
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Default Didn't you just score some Toyota ones, too?

'cause your starting to annoy me!!
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:14 PM
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Hey Jon,

Good to see you about. Let R9 revel in glory for a while. Everyone needs a boost. We'll get jealous later. LOL!!
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:55 PM
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Gurrrr I'm into these as well, tring to piece together mine.

I just restored my afx drag cars.





Made my own decals.


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Old 09-18-2012, 04:57 PM
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Those are sweet !!!
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Old 09-18-2012, 06:26 PM
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Inspiration, inspiration, inspiration. Life is good.
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:25 PM
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life is draining the bank account lol
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:29 AM
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I wanted to offer some tips for the tyco funny car bodies, that is driving me up a wall.

first you always find them molested and broken.

usually the main body is in good shape along with the window, but due to the construction of the complete car things get broken very easy.

So both the bodies are made up of a number of pieces.

1) rear bumper, this doubles as the interior chassis holder for the hinge.
2) 2x parachutes
3) window
4) front bumper
5) black plastic front locking clip, and pop rod holder
6) prop rod
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interior
the interior is made up of 3 pieces that are chromed and then painted over with white and black paint.
1) main interior
2) motor
3) rollcage.

the problem is the hinge can be broken very easily. in a crash the body will snap off the interior breaking the hinge or breaking the front plastic locking clip.
alternatively the body can be broken when removing it from the chassis incorrectly.

the correct way to separate the body from the interior is the rear bumper must be pulled out from the body. of course nobody would do this as the body was designed to never come apart after construction.

the correct way to separate the body and interior from the chassis is another matter, you carefully pry the interior and body as one piece on the side near the exhaust pipe and pop it free, most people grabbed the body and popped it off, snapping the hinge or snapping the front lock off.

the front locking clip also doubles to hold the pop rod hinge.


so you can see how nuts this can get attempting to find a good one that has barely been run or the original owner really took care of the set.

most bodies are therefore
1) missing the rear bumper
2) have broken interior hinge
3) have snapped or missing front locking clip
4) which usually means the pop rod is missing, bent or broken.

if the front locking clip is broken then the body will not stay down and will flip up as you drive and maybe snap the hinge at the rear.

So if one of these pops up on Evil Bay and looks good, you may want to have the seller take more photos because 99% out of 100% even the seller doesn't know something is broken on these.

So far i've bought about 4 of these and only have enough parts to make one good one.

if you are interested i can take photos of me restoring them, so far its been a real Pain in the neck trying to piece these back together in my neck of the woods

i figured this thread is perfect for a heads up if you go out and try to find these.

For display the body is meant to pop open to show the interior, you have to be SUPER careful when you push the front clip in slightly to release the lock, use a micro screw driver to "fart in the wind" pop it open. VERY carefully fold out the pop rod it may hang on the front hinge try to jiggle it a little so it won't catch, that is why they are always bent or broken or missing. you may need to use a xacto and trim the plastic at the hinge point to make it butter smooth.

if you dare race these STAY on the floor track, if you have these on a table and it launches off 4 feet to the floor you are going to be sick to your stomach.

racer9 got a hell of a set


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I guess i'll add tips for the AFX cars as well.

basically there are 2 versions of these made from 71-72 and then in 73-74
the 71-72 cars are Non-magnatraction, and use the older style 4 gear chassis without the rear Screw to hold the top plate down, so they suffer even worse from the dreaded "skip" where the crown gear skips the idler gear and teeth can break off.
There is a hack to install a normal AFX crown gear into the rear of the 4 gear chassis but the gear ratio will change and it only works with the low profile tires used on the afx funny car bodies like the '"rolling rolls".

the 73-74 versions used the newer magna-traction chassis with the rear chassis screw and it also suffers from the skip issue but less so.

the bodies and motor armature remained the same during the 71-74 run. they used the Blue armature drag motor. i have seen some variation with the magnets used. i've seen green and red and white and red, and black and red.

the bodies had 2 styles with 2 paint jobs. making 4 total. you had the closed cockpit and open cockpit.

The most broken part on all 4 bodies is the Wheelie bars. they are very delicate. The wheelie bar is non-functional and never touches the track surface ever, they are pure decoration, on the closed cockpit body they are 1 piece part of the rear bumper. On the open cockpit the wheelie bar is a separate piece from the parachute rear bumper. you can swap out the part on either body just careful cutting the stud to release it.

the second most missing or broken part is the front chrome bumper on the closed cockpit body.

the third most broken part is the front clear plastic tires.

The original decals were clear vinyl not water slide. the decals had white used on them making it difficult to replicate. I used a mixture of Clear and white decal material with clean cuts to splice in a mixture of decals on the cars and retain the original look as close as possible.

the chassis is pretty easy to get parts for, you can build one with NOS parts pretty cheaply.

the issue is just with the bodies finding a nice decent one to start working with.
the bodies paint tolerance is all over the place, looks like they sprayed them by hand so its hit or miss on getting a good one.

otherwise its straight forward in rebuilding them.

one tip i can offer when i reassemble the top plate, i put a line of hot glue right on the back of the chassis so when i squeeze down the top plate on the back of the chassis the hot glue keeps the back of the top plate from lifting up and skipping gears. so far it seems to work REALLY well in addition to all the other tuning you can do with these making them into rockets. the hot glue comes off when you take things apart, you can also use Shoe goo to hold the chassis together. DO NOT use GLUE you will never be able to make repairs.

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Old 09-19-2012, 08:52 PM
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Prepare for Misery:

"Attempting to restore tyco drag cars, or how i learned to hate Evilbay"


Awesome you can get prototype under bodies


Then You Snap one getting it ready for paint, because its made of chalk.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuu

plan B


Graft the hinge on to the original body using glue, and soldering iron, and shear anger.


manage to paint and finish the one that didn't break


Parts Hell:
put together a tyco pro chassis tune it so it actually works. now begin to assemble the worlds worst plastic model.


close up of hood latch


assemble:




interior


test fit about 100 times and keep cutting material trying to make everything sit and lock right






wait for more parts so you can repeat the insanity.

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Old 09-21-2012, 10:18 AM
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i found out the under-bodies will not fit on the HP7 or 440x2 chassis.... I sort of had a hope of maybe using a newer chassis with the tyco cars for fun, they didn't fit on some curve huggers i had also. some of the later curve huggers have larger Flux plates on the sides of the motor and the under body would not clear them.

Personally i like them on the tyco pro brass chassis(not steel) so they feel more 1/32 scalish...
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:25 PM
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Ok don't even bother with the tring to use the yellow plastic prototype interiors for the tyco cars the plastic used is straight abs and it cracks much easier then the black plastic tyco used for production.

I took the second yellow plastic prototype shell which was already falling apart and started making a mold from it. I'll be making a pour of just the hinge area and graft that onto some broken under bodies as a repair.

Just beware if you spend the money on ebay to buy the yellow shell it is no where near as strong as the original parts which break very very easy on their own


Making a complete mold is very difficult due to the shape and number of holes so I'm just coping the hinge area.

I tried a few different ideas I made a hinge from brass and I did not like it at all, and I thought about carving a 1 piece design replacement except that would take weeks.

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Old 09-21-2012, 11:16 PM
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well the resin was a horrible idea, the area is too thin for the normal casting resins to get into and de-air and also the part is so thin the resin can not cure properly.....

So plan D or F.

I fabricated new pieces for a broken shell to see how it would come out.
I took a REALLY busted up shell

It was missing both exhaust pipes on the sides, and the rear hinges were snapped off completely

I cut the pipes off the Yellow Junk Prototype shell and grafted it onto the busted shell. i basically welded them on with the soldering iron and TENEX plastic welder.



next i used the other Junky Yellow prototype Shell as a template, I tried to make a mold out of it but due to size and shape it was a failure.

I took L channel ABS and a dowl and melted the entire thing together with my soldering iron. then filed to shape.




then i painted it a little to see how it would look. I don't know i guess it looks ok and it was way stronger then the junk yellow plastic. I learned a little and got to practice my fabrication skills.
I also learned something about the design, Tyco knew the hinge would snap very easy especially in an impact. So what they did was place a wall right behind the inner body before the rear bumper.

you can see it here: it sits right up the back of the inner body between the hinge arms.

the idea was in a impact the wall would absorb the energy before transferring it to the hinges.

I guess whats cool is i reused the original part and i can now fix broken hinges pretty easy took me a little while to get the procedure down but i can do it. so i can always fix it again when it breaks without spending lots of cash on prototype casts that are not worth anything. I wish i never even wasted the time to paint the yellow one and detail it, complete waste of paint and time.


Icky:

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Old 09-28-2012, 10:31 AM
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finished both cars, working on something special but not ready yet.

I've discovered it is easier to repair the broken hinge then going for a junky replacement.

have gotten pretty good at fabricating the missing body hinge fingers.
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:10 AM
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ah i've learned there was an earlier type of hinge used on the tyco dragster cars.

The usual version of the hinge is held in place with the rear bumper on both the 'Gotcha' and 'Catchme' bodies.

the early version was different the rear bumper was just for decoration and only attached to the body in 2 places with posts. the hinge was held by another piece of plastic that spanned from the rear of the body over to the wall that rests behind the interior. this plastic had recessed areas to allow the back of the interior shell to pivot up.

There was no advantage to this earlier version other that maybe making the rear bumper look a little nicer. this little hinge cover actually makes things more difficult to repair and it is harder to remove due to spacing, it would of increased assembly labor costs as well. It would explain how some early bodies are missing the rear bumper and the interior is still attached.

you can adapt a later model rear bumper to fit an early body, or modify an early body to fit a later model bumper, you either drill 2 holes or remove 2 posts. otherwise the early and later bodies are exactly the same inside with the same molding other then 2 extra holes drilled in the shell.

the interior shell is exactly the same for both early and later, and the hinge area is the same no extra re-enforcement was present on either the early or later models.

the only other thing i noticed was the early tycos used a Brown Label for stock number and the later used a Green label, located on the backside of the interior shell. However there doesn't seem to be a correlation between the label and the body, i've seen about 10 different numbers so they may of just done things in batches and there was quite a few batches made, each time the label changed to reflect a new batch.

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