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Old 01-26-2019, 10:44 AM
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I agree that even a couple of millimetres more would have been an improvement
I'm not sure.

Other than making it possible to run 1/43rds, which would not interest Hornby, or the vast majority of buyers. It might tempt Scalex to go wider with their cars (especially as the chassis is still quite wide), which they have already done with the proto for the new chassis, making the cars less proportional despite the 1.7'' wheelbase .
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:04 PM
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Scalectrix did make 1/43rd scale sets for a while. Now extinct I guess. That scale deserves much more love than it gets.

A slightly wider lane spacing and track width would make Micro racing without traction magnets more feasible. It would allow more sliding/drifting without tangling with a car in the adjacent lane, or falling off the edge of the track sections. It would help make it easier to 'mature' into more conventional slot racing in 1/64th scale. (I wonder how easily the traction magnets can be removed?)

But I suspect Hornby is more interested in having the wee ones grow up and graduate to their 1/32nd scale offerings. That scale seems to be dominant in the UK and Europe.

Still, the Micro cars should be well suited to migrating onto routed tracks. With their braid pickups they could run on either copper tape or braid -- copper tape being the cheaper and easier to apply alternative.

And the slots could be routed 3mm wide instead of 2.25mm -- no issues there.

Upgrading to a better guide would probably be a common mod. Fit a Slide Guide? Um, maybe. Might not be that simple. Dang it.

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Old 01-27-2019, 12:11 PM
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Still, it's a gutsy move and I'm all for kids having a pleasant experience. Yes, I do believe they're using this new system as a gateway to larger. I'm betting these sets will come with colorful brochures with larger cars/scales, giving kids something to dream about.

I think improvements and evolution are great.

However, I can't help but think that if the rails on this new track were also other-brand friendly, like being 1 mm tall instead of flush, it would have been cool.
I mean at least with common track standard, all brands can be run on them in friendly competition, and for decades, it encouraged chassis evolution.


The Tyco Magnum 440/440 X2 are fairly bulletproof cars with steel guide pins, ditto Tomy Turbo, so the argument for ease of use is up for debate. Younger kids will still step on cars, push them down when re-slotting, bending their axles, etc. The braided pickups definitely allow for fewer fiddly parts, though, and simpler power systems.
I think there's room for the new system and I wish them good luck with it. We've discussed the future of the hobby elsewhere and anything that will peak a child's interest is a bonus, especially in a touchscreen, on-demand world.



I bought Scalextric James Bond cars a few years ago just to try them out and they are delightfully different.
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Old 01-27-2019, 12:56 PM
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Scalectrix did make 1/43rd scale sets for a while. Now extinct I guess. That scale deserves much more love than it gets.
I believe that's the STS system that you're referring to, as referenced here. No doubt Woodcote will be able to provide more detailed info.

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Still, it's a gutsy move and I'm all for kids having a pleasant experience. Yes, I do believe they're using this new system as a gateway to larger. I'm betting these sets will come with colorful brochures with larger cars/scales, giving kids something to dream about.
Well put.
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Old 01-27-2019, 01:48 PM
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I bought a Scalextric SCX 1/43rd set back around 2007 or 2008, just to see what it was about. The US retailer "Target" had sets for sale at the time. I eventually sold the track, but kept the cars.

Apparently they are still available for purchase. "Electric Dreams" and Amazon have sets for sale -- possibly remaindered.

The cars that came with my set were F1 replicas, with traction magnets. The track looked a lot like the new Micro Scalextric track, definitely sized for 1/43rd scale, but with slots similar in width to 1/32nd scale track.

After I pulled the traction magnets I found the pickup braids were far too stiff -- holding the front wheels off the track. I installed Slide Guides (because, well, you know) and that fixed the problem. The cars run very well now. I still have them, and they see track time every so often. They run just fine on my routed HO tracks, and actually can be run side-by-side on all four lanes. My slot spacing of 1-3/4" (44.5mm) is wide enough for all the 1/43rd cars I own.

FYI, I have sold quite a few Slide Guides to customers, especially in Europe, who use them on their 1/43rd scale cars. The Carrera cars benefit most, because their oblong guide pins tend to jam in the slot if the cars drift a bit.

Mounting Slide Guides to 1/43rd scale cars is a bit more challenging than to HO cars. Some cutting, drilling and shimming is often required, but the end result is usually worth the effort. Frankly, it is the guide/pickup system those cars should have been born with.

I wouldn't have complained if Hornby or Carrera had pirated the design. The 3D printing crowd has shamelessly done so, and I'm not miffed. It's not like I'm making a fortune selling Slide Guides. As much as anything I keep the business going to help improve the hobby. I like it that at least a few people think Slide Guides make their slotting more enjoyable.

I am not clear on what SCX means to Scalextric. I have seen both 1/43rd and 1/32nd scale cars and sets called out as SCX. Could it be that SCX is some kind of sub-division of Hornby, or another company making "Scalextric" products under license? Dunno.

I think there is real potential for 1/43rd down the road. More realistic than HO, better power conductors and pickups, but not much more space-intensive. It has been having trouble finding its market, but give it time...

Ed Bianchi

PS - HO conventional hard pickups really do not work on wide metal rails or copper tape. They just don't, and never have. They can work well on raised braid (braid that is slightly proud of the track surface). They'll often need some fussing and tweaking, but if you find the magic they'll work just fine.

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Old 01-27-2019, 02:13 PM
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I am not clear on what SCX means to Scalextric. I have seen both 1/43rd and 1/32nd scale cars and sets called out as SCX. Could it be that SCX is some kind of sub-division of Hornby, or another company making "Scalextric" products under license? Dunno.
I don't recall all the details, but some years back the two companies split. In Spain, SCX were allowed to continue marketing their product under the Scalextric name; but in the rest of the world, Scalextric held the necessary copyright, so the products from the Spanish company had to branded as something else - i.e. SCX. I have no idea whether Scalextric UK markets their products in Spain, or whether they're actually branded as SCX there.

Appreciated your other inputs on your 1/43 experiences, and find myself in agreement.

Note to Woodcote - let me know if you want the 1/43 stuff in this thread moved to a new thread.
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So THAT's why we have Brexit...
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Old 01-28-2019, 11:09 AM
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The SCX / Scalextric thing is confusing. What we know as SCX is called Scalextric in Spain, whereas Scalextric is sold in Spain as SuperSlot... It's all General Franco's fault, apparently.



The important things is that it was SCX who produced two 1/43 scale systems - the off-road Super Track System (STS) between 1985-1990 and the more recently SCX Compact, which was available quite widely in the US (places like Target, Walmart etc). I don't know the current state of SCX, but if they turn up at the Nuremberg Toy Fair this week, that means they are still in business. I do prefer SCX Compact over Carrera Go!!! - but the Carrera system is the one that has succeeded.



Scalextric (Hornby, UK) have produced 1/32, 1/24 and 1/64 track systems. Micro is 25 years old on Friday, so I might post up a potted history of that in another thread. When Micro was launched in 1994, Tyco and AFX were still selling HO sets and cars in the UK - although it wasn't long until Micro was the only 1/64 scale show in town on these shores.


Jim mentioned that Micro is a gateway to the larger scale. That's mostly been true, although there are a bunch of Micro enthusiasts that I've come across, mostly on facebook. There are collectors, scenic modellers (there's a stunning Star Wars Death Star layout I particularly like) and home racers who want something smaller than 1/32. Micro cars have been raced at most of the UK HO clubs at some point. Worthing, South Cambridgeshire and Chesterfield have run them as IROC club car classes.



The reason for the choice of sets is that Hornby signed a licensing deal with Warner Brothers last September. That means they can use characters, themes and branding from all the DC comics, Looney Tunes, Wacky Races, Harry Potter etc etc. Sadly not Danger Mouse & Penfold...



Scalextric do also have current licenses with the likes of Ford, General Motors, Porsche, Ginetta, Aston Martin, Le Mans (ACO) and the British Touring Car Championship (BTCC) amongst others. They have used similar licenses to produce some nice 1/64-ish scale racing cars in the past (SpeedHoppy's pics include some of the best), so fingers-crossed there are more to come.
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Scalextric do also have current licenses with the likes of Ford, General Motors, Porsche, Ginetta, Aston Martin, Le Mans (ACO) and the British Touring Car Championship (BTCC) amongst others. They have used similar licenses to produce some nice 1/64-ish scale racing cars in the past (SpeedHoppy's pics include some of the best), so fingers-crossed there are more to come.

That would be cool. I have a few bodies, courtesy of a cool guy across the pond (wink-wink) that I would love to turn into some resin bodies. Just haven't gotten that far yet.


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Old 01-28-2019, 05:57 PM
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It's all General Franco's fault, apparently.
Well yeah, and that's why they invented the EU, right?

Danm it's good to see you posting again here, you are a fountain of information.
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