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Old 03-21-2013, 03:43 PM
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These are just proposed rules for the NCSCA. Open to any feed back from the NCSCA racers. We in the queen city would like to have a official rule book so everyone is on the same page. You will not hurt our feelings with opinions, we want everyone to be happy and look forward to lots of racing! The only other thing besides what is in these that we might want to look at is a minimum weight for each class and the reason is becasue for instance in the DTM class there is a V1 and a V2 cars. They are both legal but the V2 cars are about 4 grams or so lighter. So we are very open to a weight rule just want opinions. I also realize that these rules open some classes up a bit more but we have figured out that as far as wheels go there is not much differnce in weight but more in quality from brand to brand. SCX pro rims are right at 1.2 grams most wheels are between .7 grams and 1.6. So you really wont gain much there. For the places I shop for slot car parts NOBODY carries the SCX 17.00 mm pro rims anymore so I think we need to open that up a little. At least pick another brand to go with. Anyway enjoy and please reply with your thoughts or concerns.


Proposed Rules for NCSCA


******All cars in ALL classes must be able to pit and change lanes on its own!*******


Nascar COT class

Body
1. Body can be painted or decorated as you wish
2. Minor trimming of the body may be done to allow free movement of parts.
3. Lightning of the body is prohibited
4. Body screws may be Loosened
5. Interior must be stock and in stock postion.


Chassis
1. No trimming or cutting of the chassis is allowed with the exception as follows.
2 Top of the chassis for the stock rear gear
3. Adding tape to the bottom of the chassis to lesson motor pod movement is allowed.
4. Stock Bushings only. No bearing are allowed or pro bushings
5. Bushings may be glued or otherwise fixed in place.


Guide flag
1. Guides may be adjusted up or down to achieve full engagement in the slot
2. spacers or collars are allowed
3. Stock braids ONLY! you can adjust them how you want but have to remain stock braids


Motor
1 Must be a stock RX 42 motor.



Tires and Wheels.
1 Must be stock SCX Nascar tires and wheels. Can be trued to make round but nothing else.


Axle and Gear
1 Must be stock Nascar axle and gears 9/27
2 May be straighted but otherwise has to be stock.


Downforce

1 300 grams max
2 No ballast weight allowed.






GT class

Any SCX GT car can be run. (except VETTE)


Body
1. Body can be painted or decorated as you wish
2. Interior will remain stock and in stock location
3. Minor trimming of the body may be done to allow free movement of parts.
4. Lightning of the body is prohibited
5. Body screws may be Loosened


Chassis
1 Adding tape to the bottom of the chassis to lesson motor pod movement is allowed. Or glueing solid
2. Stock Bushings or scx pro bushings only. No bearing are allowed
3. Bushings may be glued or otherwise fixed in place.


Guide flag
1. Guides may be adjusted up or down to achieve full engagement in the slot
2. spacers or collars are allowed
3. Braids may be adjusted, rewoven, or replaced with any braid you want.


Motor
1 You have the choice of SCX motor between the RX42, RX42B or the RK42


Tires and Wheels
1.Any rubber or silicone tire may be used
2. Tires may be trued
3. Wheels may be trued or lightened but must be between 16.00 and 17.00 mm dia
4 Any plastic or aluminum wheel are allowed
5. tires may be glued to the wheel
6 wheels and tires cannot stick out of the body more than a 1/8 of a inch.


Axel & Gear
1. Any axel may be used
2. Axels may be fine tuned with spacers or collars of any kind.
3. Any gear ratio or brand of gear may be used


No ballast may be added for handling


Magnet downforce must not exceed 300 grams




DTM class


Any SCX DTM car can be run


Body
1. Body can be painted or decorated as you wish
2. Interior will remain stock and in stock location
3. Minor trimming of the body may be done to allow free movement of parts.
4. Lightning of the body is prohibited
5. Body screws may be Loosened


Chassis
1 Adding tape to the bottom of the chassis to lesson motor pod movement is allowed. Or glueing solid
2. Stock Bushings or scx pro bushings only. No bearing are allowed
3. Bushings may be glued or otherwise fixed in place.


Guide flag
1. Guides may be adjusted up or down to achieve full engagement in the slot
2. spacers or collars are allowed
3. Braids may be adjusted, rewoven, or replaced with any braid you want.


Motor
1 You have the choice of SCX motor between the RX42, RX42B or the RK42


Tires and Wheels
1.Any rubber or silicone tire may be used
2. Tires may be trued
3. Wheels may be trued or lightened but must between 16.00 and 17.00 mm
4 Any plastic or aluminum wheel are allowed
5. tires may be glued to the wheel
6 wheels and tires cannot stick out of the body more than 1/8 of a inch


Axel & Gear
1. Any axel may be used
2. Axels may be fine tuned with spacers or collars of any kind.
3. Any gear ratio or brand of gear may be used


No ballast may be added for handling


Magnet downforce must not exceed 300 grams




VETTE class


Any SCX Vette


Body
1. Body can be painted or decorated as you wish
2. Interior will remain stock and in stock location
3. Minor trimming of the body may be done to allow free movement of parts.
4. Lightning of the body is prohibited
5. Body screws may be Loosened



Chassis
1 Adding tape to the bottom of the chassis to lesson motor pod movement is allowed. Or glueing solid
2. Stock Bushings or scx pro bushings only. No bearing are allowed
3. Bushings may be glued or otherwise fixed in place.



Guide flag
1. Guides may be adjusted up or down to achieve full engagement in the slot
2. spacers or collars are allowed
3. Braids may be adjusted, rewoven, or replaced with any braid you want.



Motor
1 You have the choice of SCX motor between the RX42, RX42B or the RK42



Tires and Wheels
1.Any rubber or silicone tire may be used
2. Tires may be trued
3. Wheels may be trued or lightened but must be between 16.00 and 17.00 mm
4 Any plastic or aluminum wheel are allowed
5. tires may be glued to the wheel
6 wheels and tires cannot stick out of the body more than 1/8 of a inch


Axel & Gear
1. Any axel may be used
2. Axels may be fine tuned with spacers or collars of any kind.
3. Gear ratio must be a 3.00 which is a 9 tooth pinion and 27 tooth gear of any brand.


No ballast may be added for handling

Magnet downforce must not exceed 300 grams




F1, LMP, CUDA and any stock class the host decides on.


Body
1. Body can be painted or decorated as you wish
2. Interior will remain stock and in stock location
3. Minor trimming of the body may be done to allow free movement of parts.
4. Lightning of the body is prohibited
5. Body screws may be Loosened


Chassis
1. No trimming or cutting of the chassis is allowed with the exception as follows.
2 Top of the chassis at the gear opening may be clearenced for a stock gear.
3. Adding tape to the bottom of the chassis to lesson motor pod movement is allowed.
4. Stock Bushings or scx pro bushings only. No bearing are allowed
5. Bushings may be glued or otherwise fixed in place.


Guide flag
1. Guides may be adjusted up or down to achieve full engagement in the slot
2. spacers or collars are allowed
3. Braids may be adjusted, rewoven, or replaced with any braid you want.


Motor
1 Must be a stock RK 42 motor, RX42B, RX42 or (RX44 for F1)


Tires and Wheels.
1 Must be stock SCX tires and wheels. Can be trued to make round but nothing else.


Axle and Gear
1 Must be stock SCX axle and gear.
2 May be straighted but otherwise has to be stock.

Downforce
1 300 grams.
2 No Ballast weight allowed

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Old 03-21-2013, 04:42 PM
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These rules seem pretty good to me. The only thing I want to hear everyone's input about is in the nascar rules. What does everyone think about shimming the guide flag? Can we run aero car? LOL just kidding. I hope to make the next race now that work has slowed some and we are settled with the baby. I miss seeing and racing with you guys!
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Old 03-21-2013, 05:05 PM
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i forgot to say we split the vette class off from gt because i thougth that is what everyone wanted at our last race. we also included the RK 42 motor in most classes because if the cars are going to start coming with them it should be ok to use it if you would like. but again up to the majority.
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Old 03-22-2013, 08:26 AM
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Good work here Ross, appreciate the effort you've done. Yes, between the various discussions, a set of written rules is appropriate.

I also have not seen the SCX pro wheels available so that definately needs to be addressed. There are quite a few alternatives out there, some can be expensive for a pair. The question is how much does a person want to put towards these wheels and do we want to restrict that? It could be argued that someone with deep pockets has an advantage in being able to put together a "better, all around car". Now in the whole scheme of things, what is the "measurable" difference? I personally am not looking to throw huge sums into cars, if someone wants to do that, I don't have an issue with it. This whole thing is about having fun racing these cars, at least in my opinion.

Concerning LMP's - I would be for allowing non-stock tires/wheels, axles and gears.

Vettes - curious as to the specification for gearing on this class.

Jack...
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Old 03-22-2013, 09:41 AM
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Thanks for the response jack! The only reason we wrote up the rules for the VETTE and the LMPs the way it is is just to cut some cost if that is a big issue. I am personaly fine with open gears on the VETTE and running tires and gears on the LMPS. I dont have a LMP at the moment so I am not running the class right now. But if eveyone is up for opening up gears and tires in LMP fine by me. and the same with gears on the VETTE.

As far as wheels go I do agree that someone can put alot of money in the wheels and tires but my opnion is its a waste of money to buy 20 dollar wheels. There is not NEAR enough gain to be worth the money. You can buy great wheels for under 10 bucks that are better quality than the 7 dollar SCX pro wheels and last a lot longer without getting all wore out. I am not a fan of spending big bucks either but if I can spend a few bucks and have a way better more consistant car thats fine by me. The only other way I could see to shut out the weight issue the light weight parts is just set a minumin weight for each class.

But we could come up with a spec wheel and tire if that is what the masses want.

In the end I just want everyone to be happy and on the same page!
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Old 03-22-2013, 12:19 PM
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im ok with most of this Guide flag rule

1. Guides may be adjusted up or down to achieve full engagement in the slot
2. spacers or collars are allowed

the car still has to be able to change lanes and pit on its own

rear wheels and tires cant stick out of the body more than 1/8" some of the DTM cars need this room so the Hub on the wheel dosent rub the chassis



If you want a spec wheel then i think the Slot.it 17x8mm PA18-als they are $9.99 a pair and are way better than the pro wheels from scx.

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Old 03-22-2013, 12:34 PM
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Hotslots132 .com also sells "SCX Modern IL upgrade kit" you get From Slot.it
Gi27-BZ Bronze 27tooth Crown Gear
PA01-55H axel
Pa18-als 17x8mm wheels

all this for $18.99 which will save you two or three bucks better than buying it separate

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Old 03-22-2013, 01:09 PM
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Good call on the tire width. i fixed it for gt, dtm and vette. I dont think it will be a issue on the other classes.

I agree if people do want a spec wheel or tire slot it is the way to go for sure.
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Old 03-23-2013, 05:27 AM
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I hope you dont mind I took the liberty to copy , Paste and edit what i thought needed to be added or altered, those comments are in red and italics.
Then if agreed can be incorporated. Note I added to the F-1, LMP, and Cuda class the following, Aston Martin,Seat Cupra, Megane with the idea being a basically stock version of those cars
with just those cars competeing against each other, simialar to the Corvette class.



These are just proposed rules for the NCSCA. Open to any feed back from the NCSCA racers. We in the queen city would like to have a official rule book so everyone is on the same page. You will not hurt our feelings with opinions, we want everyone to be happy and look forward to lots of racing! The only other thing besides what is in these that we might want to look at is a minimum weight for each class and the reason is becasue for instance in the DTM class there is a V1 and a V2 cars. They are both legal but the V2 cars are about 4 grams or so lighter. So we are very open to a weight rule just want opinions. I also realize that these rules open some classes up a bit more but we have figured out that as far as wheels go there is not much differnce in weight but more in quality from brand to brand. SCX pro rims are right at 1.2 grams most wheels are between .7 grams and 1.6. So you really wont gain much there. For the places I shop for slot car parts NOBODY carries the SCX 17.00 mm pro rims anymore so I think we need to open that up a little. At least pick another brand to go with. Anyway enjoy and please reply with your thoughts or concerns.


Proposed Rules for NCSCA


******All cars in ALL classes must be able to pit and change lanes on its own!*******


Nascar COT class

Body
1. Body can be painted or decorated as you wish
2. Minor trimming of the body may be done to allow free movement of parts.
3. Lightning of the body is prohibited
4. Body screws may be Loosened
5. interior must be stock, and in stock position
Chassis
1. No trimming or cutting of the chassis is allowed with the exception as follows.
2 Top of the chassis for the stock rear gear
3. Adding tape to the bottom of the chassis to lesson motor pod movement is allowed.
4. Stock Bushings only. No bearing are allowed or pro bushings
5. Bushings may be glued or otherwise fixed in place.


Guide flag

1. Guides may be adjusted up or down to achieve full engagement in the slot
2. spacers or collars are allowed
3. Stock braids ONLY! you can adjust them how you want but have to remain stock braids


Motor

1 Must be a stock RX 42 motor.



Tires and Wheels.

1 Must be stock SCX Nascar tires and wheels. Can be trued to make round but nothing else.


Axle and Gear

1 Must be stock Nascar axle and gears 9/27.
2 May be straighted but otherwise has to be stock.


Downforce

1 300 grams Max.
2 No ballast weight allowed.






GT class

Any SCX GT car can be run. (except VETTE)


Body
1. Body can be painted or decorated as you wish
2. Interior will remain stock and in stock location
3. Minor trimming of the body may be done to allow free movement of parts.
4. Lightning of the body is prohibited
5. Body screws may be Loosened


Chassis

1 Adding tape to the bottom of the chassis to lesson motor pod movement is allowed. Or glueing solid
2. Stock Bushings or scx pro bushings only. No bearing are allowed
3. Bushings may be glued or otherwise fixed in place.



Guide flag

1. Guides may be adjusted up or down to achieve full engagement in the slot
2. spacers or collars are allowed
3. Braids may be adjusted, rewoven, or replaced with any braid you want.



Motor

1 You have the choice of SCX motor between the RX42, RX42B or the RK42



Tires and Wheels

1.Any rubber or silicone may be run
2. Tires may be trued
3. Wheels may be trued or lightened but must be between 16.00 and 17.00 mm Dia.
4 Any plastic or aluminum wheel are allowed
5. tires may be glued to the wheel
6 wheels and tires cannot stick out of the body more than a 1/8 of a inch.


Axel & Gear

1. Any axel may be used
2. Axels may be fine tuned with spacers or collars of any kind.
3. Any gear ratio or brand of gear may be used


Ballast may be added for handling


Magnet downforce must not exceed 300 grams






DTM class


Any SCX DTM car can be run


Body
1. Body can be painted or decorated as you wish
2. Interior will remain stock and in stock location
3. Minor trimming of the body may be done to allow free movement of parts.
4. Lightning of the body is prohibited
5. Body screws may be Loosened



Chassis

1 Adding tape to the bottom of the chassis to lesson motor pod movement is allowed. Or glueing solid
2. Stock Bushings or scx pro bushings only. No bearing are allowed
3. Bushings may be glued or otherwise fixed in place.




Guide flag

1. Guides may be adjusted up or down to achieve full engagement in the slot
2. spacers or collars are allowed
3. Braids may be adjusted, rewoven, or replaced with any braid you want.



Motor

1 You have the choice of SCX motor between the RX42, RX42B or the RK42




Tires and Wheels


1.Any rubber or silicone tire may be used
2. Tires may be trued
3. Wheels may be trued or lightened but must between 16.00 and 17.00 mm
4 Any plastic or aluminum wheel are allowed
5. tires may be glued to the wheel
6 wheels and tires cannot stick out of the body more than 1/8 of a inch


Axel & Gear

1. Any axel may be used
2. Axels may be fine tuned with spacers or collars of any kind.
3. Any gear ratio or brand of gear may be used


Ballast may be added for handling


Magnet downforce must not exceed 300 grams




VETTE class


Any SCX Vette


Body
1. Body can be painted or decorated as you wish
2. Interior will remain stock and in stock location
3. Minor trimming of the body may be done to allow free movement of parts.
4. Lightning of the body is prohibited
5. Body screws may be Loosened



Chassis

1 Adding tape to the bottom of the chassis to lesson motor pod movement is allowed. Or glueing solid
2. Stock Bushings or scx pro bushings only. No bearing are allowed
3. Bushings may be glued or otherwise fixed in place.



Guide flag

1. Guides may be adjusted up or down to achieve full engagement in the slot
2. spacers or collars are allowed
3. Braids may be adjusted, rewoven, or replaced with any braid you want.



Motor

1 You have the choice of SCX motor between the RX42, RX42B or the RK42



Tires and Wheels

1.Any rubber or silicone tire may be used
2. Tires may be trued
3. Wheels may be trued or lightened but must be between 16.00 and 17.00 mm
4 Any plastic or aluminum wheel are allowed
5. tires may be glued to the wheel
6 wheels and tires cannot stick out of the body more than 1/8 of a inch


Axel & Gear


1. Any axel may be used
2. Axels may be fine tuned with spacers or collars of any kind.
3. Gear Ratio must be a 3.00 which is a 9 tooth pinion and 27 tooth gear of any brand.


Ballast may be added for handling


Magnet downforce must not exceed 300 grams





F1, LMP, CUDA, Aston Martin, Other GT's (Megane, Seat Cupra Etc.)


Body
1. Body can be painted or decorated as you wish
2. Interior will remain stock and in stock location
3. Minor trimming of the body may be done to allow free movement of parts.
4. Lightning of the body is prohibited
5. Body screws may be Loosened


Chassis
1. No trimming or cutting of the chassis is allowed with the exception as follows.
2 Top of the chassis at the gear opening may be clearenced for a stock gear.
3. Adding tape to the bottom of the chassis to lesson motor pod movement is allowed.
4. Stock Bushings or scx pro bushings only. No bearing are allowed
5. Bushings may be glued or otherwise fixed in place.


Guide flag

1. Guides may be adjusted up or down to achieve full engagement in the slot
2. spacers or collars are allowed
3. Braids may be adjusted, rewoven, or replaced with any braid you want.


Motor


1 Must be a stock RK 42 motor, RX42B or RK42,RX-44 (F-1)



Tires and Wheels.


1 Must be stock SCX tires and wheels. Can be trued to make round but nothing else.


Axle and Gear

1 Must be stock SCX axle and gear.
2 May be straighted but otherwise has to be stock.


Downforce


1 300 grams.
2 Ballast weight allowed.
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Old 03-23-2013, 01:41 PM
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Thanks for the post John! I agree with the rules for the stock class of cars for sure! I didin't think of that. I'm sure we wont have time each time we get together to run all the classes listed but at least we will have rules on them when we get the chance.

So I guess we need peoples votes on a couple things so far.


Whether or not to open up gears, tires, wheels and axles on GT, DTM, VETTE and LMP classes?

Spec tire and wheel for above classes? I would also add that if we do have a new spec wheel the scx pro wheels be included in that also for the people that still have them and want to run them. Most of mine the grub screw has stripped out so I have one set of slot it's like jonthan posted and love them. They are heavier than scx but there is more material around the grub screw so they ought to last alot longer for me.

Anything I'm missing let me know.


And I would like to hear from bharris and the Winston guys for sure we want everyone to be happy!!!!!!

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Old 03-24-2013, 10:40 AM
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Michael can chime in, but I think the Winston guys are going to be pretty cool with whatever. I don't know that we have anything collectively that is not stock, so I think we would be in favor of putting limits on getting anything too extraordinary from a $$$ perspective to keep things under control.

But at same time, I know a lot of the engineering and development is a lot of the fun for the group, so certainly don't want to completely limit that if the majority of the group wants to go in that direction. Some of the links on here for the non-stock wheels and tires are helpful, and may give some of those a look. Will definitely have to pick and choose which cars to outfit, as doing a whole fleet is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!

Looking forward to the May race day at Jack's. Should be a lot of fun!!
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Old 03-24-2013, 12:18 PM
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Ross,
Concerning your post above about opening up gears, tires, wheels and axles on GT, DTM and Vettes. We already have, allowing non stock on the gears, tires, wheels and axles.
So I think the question is allowing it on the LMP class. I'm with John that F1 and Cuda are pretty much stock. The others (Aston's, Meganes, Seats are considered GT's so they would fall under GT rules even if we break them all out into seperate classes.

I think the overall issue is that by opening up to whatever you can/will spend, will that give that car an unfair advantage? On the courses we run, and depending on the driver, is that "modified" car going to have a significant advantage or minimul?
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Old 03-24-2013, 01:12 PM
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Dave I agree that I can't afford to outfit all my cars. I have to pick and choose those. I only spend around 20 bucks on aftermarket parts and alot of time I switch them between cars between races. So I don't want to spend a ton of money either. I also dont think you have spend big money to get a great running car.

Jack I just wanted to make sure what everyone wanted. I know we have been way more open on the GT and DTM but just want everyone to toally be on the same page with it. I am good either way on the LMP. I dont own one so whatever the masses want is fine by me.

As far as anyone having a unfair advantage I personally dont really think so. I don't think 20 dollar slotting plus rims are any better than 8 dollar slot it rims. They are slightly lighter but is it gonna win you the race I dont think so at all. I refuse to spend that kinda of money personaly. I dont think theres any point unless you just like the way they look which I understand. Hopefully it wont come to that but if after a couple races if that seems to be the case then maybe we will need to re adress the issue or just make a mim weight per class. I think that is what the Chicago guys have done.
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:41 PM
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I will also add to my comments above. I am committed to running slot it 17X10 rims part number PA19-Als for 8.99 and Slot it S2 silicone tires in the open classes. I think S2's are about 8 bucks cor a pack of 4 so you can outfit two cars with that. I have tried different silicone tires here and there over the years and I always come back to S2's I dont think you can beat them. Slot it rims are way more true and a better piece than SCX pro. Alitte heavier but I will take the weight. That is my plan.

Sounds like our rules are coming together!
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Old 03-24-2013, 04:39 PM
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this was a PM from Waldeck that im going to move this message to the fourm because he has some good questions

"I've been looking at the hotslots site. As far as gears go, what is the difference between offset and inline, which one are you using? For axles, did you you go with 51mm or 54mm and do you know the difference between the turned center section axles and the regular ones? I've been using Yellow Dog tires. What brand do you use? Do you find a difference between silicone and urethane? "

the difference is that some of the slot.it chassis use offset gears. all SCX-D use Inline gears thats the layout of the SCX Chassis.
get the 54mm Axles, they are more universal. You can use them on a Porsche or the SLS Merc. and you can move them from car to car.
there is absoluly no reason to use anything else other than Silicone tires unless we make a class that useses rubber or urethane...
I buy slot.it S2 Tires only! the old part number is "pt17" if you get them form hotslots132.com the new part number is "pt1171n22"
its the N22 compound

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