I remember that in 2010 TOJ used aftermarket front wheels. DaVols stance at the time was to allow the use of aftermarket wheels, since he had deleted the need to use stock front wheels by mistake. He intended to go back to stock wheels as a money saver measure. The discussion is in this thread. Last season rules were the same as 2010 so there was no mention of front wheels.
As some have expressed in this thread I think it would be good to have the specs of tracks available to entrants so we can set up the cars accordingly. The Host trakc section on the webpage was created with that idea in mind.
TOJ - you're correct, I think I'm working too hard lately, brain's fried.
So far we have front wheel option, 15 x 8 and must match the rears.
Track hosts: I will start a thread to get a list of race venues and will have each host list type surface, voltage, controllers to be used, etc...hopefully this will help in the set ups.
Hi all,
2012 will be my 6th season at this wonderful proxy series. First a big THANKS to Tim for organizing it again. I know how much of work it is getting all hosts and dates in a row and having an overview over all actions concerning this series. I appreciate it very much.
I like the series as it is and we should not change to much in the rules. Maybe we should take care that all cars have different paintings and numbers. As it seems difficult to switch completely to COT bodies I would ask all COT drivers to take off their rear wing and glue a spoiler instead like the 2011 real car had. So all cars look more similar and the field looks more realistic. As in the years before I will prepare a #5 Kellogg´s Chevy again. My nephew Harald who hosted a race this year is preparing allready a #29 Shell Chevy.
Gary
My ScaleXtric car came with + on the Left braid and - Right braid to run FOrward...out of the box
Question are 15X8 then the wheel Rule, Identical and leave it at that?
Super Tires are Silicone is this correct?
Interiors may be swapped over to Lexan or can we remove the interior to replace it? What about removing the screen, Roll-bar, fire bottles and replacing the driver with one of the same size only lighter? My stock car weighs in Factory at 3.3oz. better yet 96G which is more accurate for precision weight.
Replacing converting the guide to a deeper and stronger Slot.It and using different braids?
Rookie Racers (First Year) have to paint the front Spoiler Orange? /OR/ In Memory of Bruce DaVol Perhaps, this should be only for Winners of the Proxy race year, each year? No Orange cars Rule must be simple because it detracts from the race and only the Proxy winners are allowed to run an Orange AirDam. Eventually several drivers or all of us might have orange spoilers (Wishing)
I want to support this Proxy race in any manner that I might. My ideas are not original. I don't think though you might look at Motor Restrictions like in the Race Across America (RAA) at their 3 class rules. The way I read this I can install my 40,000 RPM Motor and 5.00 gear ratio as long as I use 15X8 wheels? This is going to be very interesting RAA runs different voltages at various tracks and still a winner every year or Top Dogs are always at the top. Just an idea for those that mention the rules and suggestions. I think each track should have a posted Photo and track type info should tell us the length of the lanes, track material plastic or mdf, latex painted or enamel painted etc, as well as voltages that they run. Track Controllers are at each track and not the person that owns the car controller that way each track is consistent like RAA. Awesome thoughts fro you people Bruce would be proud of your KISS and making things equal not allowing certain motors and extreme things like the LMP class OPEN Motors and gearing rule. Jumpers to track sections even on plastic track is Not that difficult to do if you are trying to obtain the same voltage around the track... Actually I want to paint my Spoler/airdam Orange FOR Davols but I think the Honor should only be to the Proxy race winners every year, not just for the following year RULE!
Kansas
Rev. Lindsey J. Angell
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I like the idea of an orange spoiler or maybe an orange stripe across the back but maybe all cars should sport it on their cars in memory of Bruce (?)
You must have an interior. do not remove the screen. Lexan interiors are allowed but I would like to see them painted so it looks like a driver not a melted blob. The basic idea is to keep the cars in scale appearance and costs down. Stock front wheels or 15 x 8 replacements but front and back wheels must match. At least have the fronts match in color to rears if you leave the stock wheels on.
We've never had a motor restriction and we won't change that. A 40k motor will probably be too much for most tracks but legal.
Gary- as much as I like the idea of making the cars look more alike, I don't think a new spoiler on the COT's is feasible. Do you know where to get replacement spoilers ?
I would really like to see a full field of COT's but maybe that can be looked at for 2013.
We will have host tracks with info to help you decide how to set 'em up.
I'll paint my Rookie Orange then only on the Airdam/Front Spoiler If there are no objections. I think the rear spoiler is a great idea too if some wish to go that way. Are we encouraged to paint or whatever the cars ourselves a different setup and use decals or might we leave the body nearly stock so that the Number 88, National Guard Car, Dale Jr. car is still mostly stock? I may paint my rear spoiler like you said that way from at nearly any angle it is identifiable as a Rookie car but still bearing the National Guard colors Red, White and Blue...Love the colors...
Rev. Lindsey US Navy (Retired)
Then I request Number 88, National Guard, IF it is appropriate for this point in time. The only differenes you will find at thsi point in time is a front Airdam and rear spoiler painted ORANGE! ty
Lindsey J. Angell
Yikes, you're quick...I started another post for car numbers. Since Jack was our 2011 Champion, I feel like he should get the #88 but if you want, you could go #88A ?
#88A works just fine for me if it is okay with the rest of the crew! Thank you so far...
Lindsey
When are the cars due in to Impound and I suppose you will post where to send them for Tech Inspections and set up some type of PayPal System for payment or take a Cashiers Check, Postal or Bank Money Order ... ???
I would like to have the cars sent to me by March 15 (for tech) with the first race scheduled for the first week of April.
Once we get a car count and schedule, I'll figure out the entry fee. Shouldn't change much from last year unless the venue's grow and the car count doesn't.
I also think if you enter more than 1 car you shouldn't have to pay another full entry fee. I'll work on this once we get closer to a confirmed field.
Tim,
modifying a COT with wing into a COT with spoiler is very easy.
remove the wing-saw a fine slit into the body-glue a plastic sheet in it-ready. I did it at some cars already and Í needed maximum 5 minutes.
Gary
Put me down for a #14 Smoke car, if we are reserving numbers already. I may also have a track ready the second half of 2012....an oval, of course, run with all left turns. Maybe schedule me in for the next to last race, right before Arrold's Thanksgiving finale, since shipping from Atlanta to Knoxville would be reasonable.
Looks like I'm a little to the party but here are my comments below.
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Originally Posted by elvinator
Car set ups should stay the same as it works well. Arrold mentioned the option to change the front wheels and I think it would be fine for better performance but to take it a step further, I would like the front wheels be the same size and appearance of the rear wheels.
your thoughts?
This I like. The only way to run an SCX COT with LEGAL wheels is with the floppy stub axles. Hubless CB Design Nascar wheels or others with PROPER Nascar type inserts would be a plus in my view.
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Originally Posted by The Old Jaybird
ovals, WITH LEFT TURNS ONLY.
The host[s] should have a sufficient number of controller[s] with adjustable brakes for the venue. If you are running by yourself, (like Arrold), then you only need one controller....no problem, but to get the most out of all entered cars, adjustable controllers should be used for the series. A used 2 knob PM can be had for the price of a slot car, so I think this is reasonable.
TOJ
If this rule comes in, I am out as a track host and most likely the other Cali track too. We don't run these controllers nor do we have these controllers at our disposal. This is too much to ask of a host. If all of the cars have to run with the same controller(s) at a given venue, whether they are spendy or thrifty controllers, then all entered cars will experience the benefits or the disadvantages of the host's controllers in equal proportion. The racing is still fair and square.
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Originally Posted by arroldn
If the wheel rule is changed I'd like us to consider 15x8 for the fronts and maximum 15x10 on the rear.
I'll second that. I like the 15 X10 wheel IF IT CAN BE CONTAINED INSIDE THE BODY as under the previous rules. We want to keep these looking like Nascar Cup cars not Saturday night roundy rounds.
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Originally Posted by The Old Jaybird
because at one of the races, there were a number of host comments that the cars had "too much braking" which disrupted a smooth lap. With an electronic controller, that would be a very simple fix, just dial out some of the brake effect....very quick and easy to do. With the rules allowing any motor/gear combo and various levels of grip from track to track, the brake effect of a given car can vary a goodly amount. I was just trying to get the best run for each car at each venue, rather than a hit or miss situation...
....but maybe "hit or miss" is the essence of proxy racing.
TOJ
What that tells me is that builders should build with the variance of controllers in mind. If a particular car has a lot of brakes, it might be an advantage at one track or a disadvantage at another.
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Originally Posted by elvinator
TOJ - you're correct, I think I'm working too hard lately, brain's fried.
So far we have front wheel option, 15 x 8 and must match the rears.
Since the track owners only know what brand of track there are using how are we as builders of Slot cars even aware of what controller to use at any track? I don't even own a controller except teh ones that Came with my NINCO Track that I bought and stored 5 years ago. I've been in proxy racing for 2 years now. I still build cars all winter long but I don't own a controller for the same reason I just submitted because some of my friends run on MDF tracks some on their plastic tracks and all of them take different controllers. If a track owner has 2 lanes surely they have 2 controllers? If they have 4 lanes and need a controller then they should have one for each lane. Heck I'd buy (one) anyway not half dozen to send with my single car for the various tracks and then have a list saying if you have such and such track please use controller number one (1), if you have such and such track please try controllers number 2 and 4...and so on.
I'm all for 15X8.5 on all four corners or even changing the existing rule and making the rear wheels 15X10 as long as the tire/wheel do not protrude from under the body I like the same size wheels idea but even in nascar the rears are wider than the fronts. so it would be more realistic..sides it don't mean everyone will be using the 15X10's if they don't want to... What would Bruce do? (WWBD?) say (WWBS)? Keep it simple okay but where do you put the rules as going to far SCC wheels are okay as long as the y are NASCAR type Stock Car wheels that I like. Seeing Bruce would have most likely agreed with this either the votes need to come up with all four corners the same brand and size 15x8, 15X8.5 wheels on all four corners...maybe he would have said okay 15x10 are okay but still the racers would have to agree not one man ran the entire operation.
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