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  • Redux?

    Is this going to happen again?

    EM

  • #2
    So was last year the last of the last of the open road? If it's a go this year I think I'd be in.

    Good day, eh!

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    • #3
      My Jag is sporting a new chassis and is ready for a re-match. My Porsche on the other hand is ready for retirement. It looks okay just sitting there though.

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      • #4
        TLOR Redux?

        At the moment, my life has been quite turbulent... I don't have the time nor the inclination to start the process of organizing another race at this point.

        Perhaps in a few months after things settle out, I could be hosting another series. OTOH, if someone else would like to pick up the baton, I would be just fine with it... Heck, I'd even have an entry or two myself.

        Greenman62

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        • #5
          I have done a full rotisserie restoration of my Ferrari 166 MM and it is ready to roar again, complete with a beautiful professional repainting and actual decal numbers this time instead of stickers. I've ordered a new body for the Alfa and will do the same with it, although I also have an OSCA MT4 or a Lancia D-24 that would work.

          Greg, I have the Targa 2 proxy about to be underway here in October, but would love to co-promote with you. You have the tie to Burt that I feel is important for this proxy, and if you would still be willing to be the beginning and end point, I could help out with all the "paperwork" so to speak, like keeping the scores and moving things along. Also I don't mind doing some publicity and scrounging for sponsors.

          If we announced it soon, we would want to give a good lead time to let people build cars. Late winter or early spring might be a good actual start time.

          Cheers,

          Keith

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          • #6
            Originally posted by retro racer 44 View Post
            I have done a full rotisserie restoration of my Ferrari 166 MM and it is ready to roar again, complete with a beautiful professional repainting and actual decal numbers this time instead of stickers. I've ordered a new body for the Alfa and will do the same with it, although I also have an OSCA MT4 or a Lancia D-24 that would work.

            Greg, I have the Targa 2 proxy about to be underway here in October, but would love to co-promote with you. You have the tie to Burt that I feel is important for this proxy, and if you would still be willing to be the beginning and end point, I could help out with all the "paperwork" so to speak, like keeping the scores and moving things along. Also I don't mind doing some publicity and scrounging for sponsors.

            If we announced it soon, we would want to give a good lead time to let people build cars. Late winter or early spring might be a good actual start time.

            Cheers,

            Keith
            Let's plan on announcing the next race in mid September. That will give me a bit more time. This summer has been in a word "terrible".

            Greenman62

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            • #7
              Pourquoi pas!

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              • #8
                Entendu

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                • #9
                  Update

                  I want to give you folks an update... I've been kind of busy of late. Over the couse of the next week or so I'll be reviewing the rules to see there are any changes needed to them.

                  If you have any suggestions that you would like to make please post them here.

                  I've got a lot on my plate for the next few weeks but I will get back to you about the next TLOR race in a few weeks. I'm sorry for the delay... the summer of 2016 has not been one I'll ever want to repeat.

                  Greenman62

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                  • #10
                    Should have been involved here first.

                    Re Motor

                    Suggest, rather then listing a brand name just mention that all motors entered must not exceed 15 K at 12 volts. It is the specs that need to be followed more then a brand name IMO. The Brand name ended up tripping my entry up, and had others calling foul as it was not listed even though it would have met all performance measures.

                    Just my two cents for next time.

                    Cheers

                    Dan

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                    • #11
                      Named motors vs rpm limits?

                      I understand the problem as it relates to your 550 Dan, but I worry that a lot of cars could arrive at Greg's and not pass the <15k test. For example, an H&R Jack Rabbit is listed as 14K at 12v, but those motors test over 15k and I suspect individual ones may be over 16k. Most of us don't have dynos and might not realize a motor rpm is understated.

                      Since we don't have an open motor rule for this proxy, we need guidelines to reduce DQs and the easiest way is with a list of motors known to be acceptable.

                      That said, however, if the cars will be dyno'd to determine the rpm, I can see your point in allowing any motor. The entrant just needs to be willing to accept the risk of DQ if the motor is too fast.

                      There is also the risk of a unique motor being undriveable. This has been a problem with a couple of cars in the Targa proxy that have so much torque and need so much amperage to do well that they are not performing well on our tracks. A named motor list avoids this issue.

                      It is good to be having these discussions, as it helps clear the air before the proxy begins. I hope it does not deter anyone from participating, but rather just sets the rules for all to understand.

                      Cheers,

                      Keith

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                      • #12
                        As Keith said...
                        Very good example of Denis car at targa florio
                        He was happy before with his motor especially with brakes. ...
                        Rules to followand and there is no discussion later that someone had something different.

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                        • #13
                          I guess that is the irony in this. A 14 K motor that is known to turn 16 K is allowed

                          Although

                          "Class A Choose from a list of six motors. These are around 14.000 rpm @12v: BWANC1, BWA 050, M/T-1, M/T SL-1, Ninco NC-1, Ninco NC-8.
                          Class B. Choose from a list of 5 common available motors These are around 18K @12v: Scalextric/Scalextric Sport standard FC-130, Carrera E200, Fly black-striped, FC-130, Pioneer “small and large p” Typhoon, H&R Racing “Hawk” Motor, Slotit SP08 and "Teal" endbell motors. Motor RPMS will be checked by Dyno, any motors found to be out of compliance (too fast)will be disqualified"

                          So if in fact some brands of motors are all over the place with respect to RPM then they will be disqualified even if they are on the list. Wouldn't that be ironic to have that rule bite somene in the butt. I wonder what the allowance is to be deemed unacceptable. 5% over 10%?????

                          My Targa car is probably undrivable to most people with the RPM and no brakes, but it is no where near the front either, and I will never submit a motor like that again. I have learned from the experience. A winning slot car is about chassis set up and proper gearing to give you an easy to drive car that goes fast.

                          Anyway, the organizers set the rules and we either enter or we don't based on the rules listed. In this case I am late to the party with my request, and others have deemed it unacceptable to have an unlisted motor compete regardless of its specs, and to keep the peace I just won't enter this one. Maybe next year the motor rule will leave an option for no name motors that meet the intent of the motor rule. I am taking a path to build more scale like slot cars, and the status quo motor selection just doesn't work for what I am up to with this Porsche 550

                          Cheers


                          Dan
                          Last edited by YHR; 11-04-2016, 04:20 PM.

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                          • #14
                            I would like to know what 14 k motor will rev at 16k, because I have tested a lot of these motors and as yet never found one that will rev to 16k.

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                            • #15
                              I don't know, but am just going by what Keith mentioned. If that is the case then the rpm checking would almost appear to be mandatory if you want to take the rpm rule seriously.

                              The rules state any motor found to exceed the RPM limit will be disqualified regardless of it being on the list or not.

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